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[–] plyth@feddit.org 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Disney+ changes subscriber agreement to allow ads on every plan

https://feddit.org/post/35666466

If you can't opt out of ads then they are not only there to sell more products.

[–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Disney has never been on the other side of that.

[–] Cataath@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, Disney's origin story is as shitty as Apples: business man screws his creative partner, expunges him from the company's origin story, and declares himself the true visionary.

[–] eah@programming.dev 25 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

And decades later they're multibillionaires who hold all the traits of multibillionaires. They're into transhumanism, the singularity, effective altruism, microdosing, owning your own private yachts, planes, and islands, donating to conservative candidates, and moving their assets to avoid paying taxes. Complete scum. Utopia isn't going to happen when all your AI shit is making creative people miserable.

Study math at university, start a search engine company using your sick math skillz, become the evil businessman you presumably hated when you started out, and then use your wealth to fund AI that will make nobody want to study math at university. Pulling up the ladder. What a world.

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

How on earth is effective altruism a negative?

[–] Cataath@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Because Effective Altruism doesn't mean what it sounds like. It's a pseudo-ethical philosophy that justifies gross accumulation of wealth with the implication that at some point in time you will use your wealth to do good. The poster child for this is Sam Bankman-Fried, the scam artist CEO of FTX who conned investors into believing he set up a securities-backed cryto-exchange, when in reality the securities firm insuring the cryto was being inflated by the cryptocurrency it was allegedly insuring.

SBFs fall from grace should have killed any legitimacy Effect Altruism ever had, but unfortunately there are billionaire sycophants trying to bring it back to life. I guess the reasoning is if there are that many idiots that keep falling for Donald Trump's promises, they should be able to find enough idiots in the investor class to keep running the same scam over and over.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It’s name washing. Carnegie was a horrible person no matter how much his foundation funds classic arts.

[–] P1k1e@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 38 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Their later solution to this problem is interesting: for a long time the search and ad teams were entirely separate. The search team had one mission and that was to make Google search as good as possible. Selling ads and making money was someone else's task. The old reasoning of "Make a really good product and then the profit will follow". This is how Google search was able to outcompete all it's competitors.

Then 2019 rolled around, the Google Ads team failed to meet objectives, and they blamed Google search for their failure. Google's solution was to make search worse, reduce the visual difference between ads and results, and eventually put the ads guy officially in charge of search. The goal of Google search had changed from making the best search engine possible to optimizing ad views and clicks. This is one of the best documented stories of enshittification imo.

Good reads about this:
https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/
https://codingwithcody.com/2025/10/search-is-dead-google-killed-it/

Didn't know this until you wrote your comment but 2019 is definitely when shit fell off so hard I rethought using Google at all

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think they also discovered they were charging companies for all the blocked ads nobody saw, and were about to get sued into oblivion, so they refunded a token amount, and threw ads into overdrive.

[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think ads were never paid by the dished out links, but by the actual opens. sometimes even only by the click on it (impression vs click).

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Google 'charges for YouTube adverts viewed by bots' Published 23 September 2015

I think this lead the charge to confirm you’re a human, i.e. age confirmation.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Interesting, I didn't know about this. Youtube isn't search however, Nibbler is right that advertisers in search only pay per click, not per impression.

[–] Pollo_Jack@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

TIL and wow

[–] floppybiscuits@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Some say that If you speak Prabhakar Raghavan's name three times while looking into a mirror Ed will appear

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I laughed. It definitely feels like that when reading Ed's articles, the glee is almost palpable whenever he gets a chance to dish on Prabhakar.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago

it's funny that they talk about ads hurting search results because they literally became an advertising company that does shitty search on the side.

[–] griselbrandalf@reddthat.com 26 points 12 hours ago (13 children)

Some alternatives:

  • Duckduckgo (Bing with privacy)
  • Qwant (Bing with privacy, but building their own index)
  • Mojeek (pet favorite of the privacy community but small index, search often unsatisfying for me)
  • Kagi (apparently really good but paid)
[–] nibbler@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 hours ago

I paid for kagi for a year or two. Problem (for me) is, they are very USA centric and offer less value to other regions. For region-independet search they were on par or better with google.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Not trying to pick on one thing but I guess I am focusing on it in my reply.

Am I the only person that thinks duck duck Go is no longer worth recommending?

[–] Cataath@lemmy.world 2 points 55 minutes ago

I've been using DDG since the beginning when it was an inferior product to Google, manly because of the bang! search feature (which replaced Yubnub for me) and for the privacy aspect. If a DDG search didn't give me good results, I could just add !g and see the Google results. It cut down my dependence on Google by about 75% at the time but only got better as the '10s wore on. By 2020 it was just a better search engine.

Since then it seems to be going through the same enshittification that Google went through, although they know that they live & die on their privacy feature and that seems to still be better. Instead, they have added the AI summary ("search assist" is not auto by default, so a basic search doesn't query the AI), prioritize a few of the top hits on the search (along with context results like wikipedia, dictionary, stock summaries, etc.), but the rest of the results on the first page appear to be paid ranking pages. Below that are related searches, and below that is the "more results" button that is the hits that used to come before the paid ranking pages.

Even though it seems to be sliding into the same patterns as other commercial search engines, I still think it is better than most of the alternatives. I still set it to default some from the browser I can do things like search for RAM on NewEgg ("!ne 16gb crucial ram") and go directly to that page instead of going to a search results page that may or may not be a sponsored link that takes five seconds to load because of spotty wireless & all of the 3rd party elements having to load.

[–] TwistedTurtle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, it's not just you. DDG hasn't been very good in my recent experience. I bit the bullet and gave Kagi a try and it's been excellent. It's what I recommend now.

It's not free, but I'll gladly pay to ensure that I'm the customer being tailored to instead of the product being sold.

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Yeah initially it felt silly to pay for a search engine, but I gave kagi a try and really like it. I could immediately turn off all ai shit. I can block websites that are ai trash or that I just plain don't like or I can just down rank a website so I'll see other results first. For example, I have the Minecraft fandom website downranked but not blocked so that if I'm searching for something that isn't documented on the Minecraft wiki then the fandom page will still pop up, it just won't be the top result ever

Also, I'm on the basic 300 searches a month and I've never hit the max despite feeling like I search a lot between my phone and computer

Edit: there's also a little indicator next to websites that have a lot of trackers and ads so you can avoid or block those sites if you want

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Could you please tell me why you dislike it?

[–] kazerniel@piefed.world 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There's also Ecosia that lets you choose between Bing and Google as result provider. (And for a while now they have been working on a European Web Index with Qwant to replace the US sources.)

[–] Thiccbear@aussie.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

And they plant trees!

[–] Tja@programming.dev 14 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

Shouldn't "paid" be a a huge advantage, if we are complaining about advertising?

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Main problem with "paid" is that you have to log in for searching = all your searches can be tied to your payment into / identity. That's a big no-no.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

VPN providers and torrent sites solved this a while ago, allowing anonymous payments: crypto, even mailing cash.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 1 points 26 minutes ago

Are you really so naive to assume that your searches tied together won't allow to identify you within days? Please never work in cybersecurity.

Also, crypto coins are a scam nowadays, thanks to the investment markets making them unstable as fuck.

[–] crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Not to mention Kagi is based in the U.S. Whatever privacy promises they make are bullshit.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Either bullshit or delusional (which amounts to bullshit for the users) if they don't realize that they can't do anything about a FISA court order. Do they have a warrant canary at least?

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Imagine if they could be held accountable for something like this they said.

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

To be fair, I think they still believe that.

[–] droopy4096@lemmy.ca 25 points 14 hours ago

I'm old enough to remember them having "don't be evil" written in big letters on their campus...

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