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Shouldn't "paid" be a a huge advantage, if we are complaining about advertising?
Main problem with "paid" is that you have to log in for searching = all your searches can be tied to your payment into / identity. That's a big no-no.
Not to mention Kagi is based in the U.S. Whatever privacy promises they make are bullshit.
Either bullshit or delusional (which amounts to bullshit for the users) if they don't realize that they can't do anything about a FISA court order. Do they have a warrant canary at least?
Yes: https://kagi.com/privacy
They also have options for anonymous search.
I’m curious about how well they enforce that, and how as a European on European servers they do more, but I wil assume it’s all transparent to state actors. As are all others.
The benefits are in corporations and being monetized.
Yeah they will all be transparent to state actors. Which is why the best option imo is to mix our searches by doing them in private browser windows of different browsers, occasionally wiping history and sometimes using VPN / tor
VPN providers and torrent sites solved this a while ago, allowing anonymous payments: crypto, even mailing cash.
Are you really so naive to assume that your searches tied together won't allow to identify you within days? Please never work in cybersecurity.
Also, crypto coins are a scam nowadays, thanks to the investment markets making them unstable as fuck.
Bad news for you, I do work in cybersecurity (for over a decade), and I don't search for "hot singles in my exact address", so a bunch of k8s error message searches and the odd banana bread recipe won't identify me in a while.
Working in cybersecurity and mistaking your own online behavior as being relevant for everyone else. How could that possibly backfire? /s
If someone cares, they have to be careful. No amount of anonymous tor usage will prevent exposing you if you Google your name and social security number.
You shouldn't go around advising people to use anonymous payment methods for search engines that "protect your privacy". That's really bad advice, is all I am saying. But good for you...
They protect your privacy as much as a search engine can.
You really need to step back and reevaluate.
What exactly?
In this scenario: Your assessment of the reality of what "protecting people's privacy" means.
Some protection is better than none. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Except using a search engine without login from a private browser window is better(!) protection by far.
Except fingerprinting
Which is, of course, something kagi couldn't do... Right?
Of course they could, they don't need to since you're logged in, and they don't have an incentive since you're a paying customer, not the product.
in other words, "trust me bro". You really should look for a job more suitable to your qualifications. IT security is not it.
Yeah, lawyers write terms and conditions for shits and giggles. Good luck with your incognito mode.
In the case of capitalism, yes, that's pretty accurate. T&C mean nothing when it comes to enforceable consumer rights vs. digital giants. Especially for companies based in Fascistan.
Yes, lawyers are famously dumb, poor and useless, nobody ever got sued for breach of contract. Especially in capitalist America. Yup, that's exactly how it works.
Not everyone on the Internet has money to burn.
So then we need to choose between advertising or demanding unpaid labor...
It's a difficult choice indeed
we need that altruistic billionaire just doing it for the love of the consumer
yeah you know that's how most of them become billionaires, by being altruistic and always putting others before their own needs.
exactly!!!!
no one's demanding unpaid labor