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[–] IamMoonPie@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

How about a four day work week and no AI? I’m so done with this timeline.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The whole point of advancing technology is to make our lives easier. Why are we still working this hard after a century (or more) of extreme technological advancement?

[–] Tenderizer@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The whole point of advancing technology is to make our lives easier.

The point is to make our lives better, not easier.
Is that the same thing? Maybe, maybe not.

Either way AI is doing neither right now.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

We should've had a four-day workweek decades ago. Computers have already automated so much without LLMs.

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Let AI take over in exchange for 4 work days? Nope. Still not worth it even it we would get it.

And jesus christ, Bernie. Please don't let this AI psyslop marketing campaign be the note you end on. :-(

I mean what's next? Bernie Coin?

[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've had a few critisims with Bernie with what hes saying about ai recently.

I don't want to discredit him because I feel hes doing what he thinks is best, and honestly is kind of all we got for a big name right now. The people in the anti Ai space that I look up to havent really reached the average American you interact with daily in real life.

I think much like all the other politicians he doesnt fully understand the technology, and hes coming at it from the perspective he always has had. Which is protecting workers from corperations, and pushing for more socalist causes. Which I still think we need desperately, I'm not trying to say otherwise.

What I am concerned about is that Bernie is in some shape or form aiding these Ai companies in some way.

Like pushing for Ai devs who try to create agsi to be sent to prison for 20 years sounds great but then you realize that Sam altman and elon musk agree with him, and you wonder why. Regulation capture? A morally ethical excuse to slow down when ai is hitting brick walls in progress.

And with the idea of a 4 day work week, and ubi. In theory yes I do want those, but if you been paying attention to the conversations around Ai and stuff like ubi you learn that in order for ubi to work they have to remove social security, healthcare, food stamps, low income housing which cost dramatically more than the measly check you will receive every month. Thats my worst nightmare, everyone only gets 600-800 a month and is left to fend for themselves in a world where ai manipulates them with dark patterns into lighting national Forrest on fire so they can get rich on polymarket. Or they have to use the claud slot machine to pay for multiple spins on a chance to get working code for their gig working job, that takes a 30% cut ontop of all the api tokens.

So I'm torn in some ways because I'm worried that the path through all this is riddled with mine fields, and we could some how end up in position worse than we are in now just due to how much people are pushing for ANYTHING right now.

The change I ususally see fit is much more radical and not really realistic, and I don't see the general publics mindset really catching up for a few more years. And in two years the landscape could of changed dramatically.

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[–] jaykrown@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The whole "four-day workweek" thing, just say "higher pay" because what you're really asking for is that people get paid more per hour worked, such that they get paid the same, and only work four days instead of five. Why do you have to make it so complicated? PAY PEOPLE THEIR FAIR SHARE.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

4-day workweek and UBI, please.

[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

A UBI would effectively enable a 4 day work week regardless.

[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Even when the progressives mention ubi it ALWAYS comes at the cost of removing all other social services like health care, low income housing, food stamps, social security. So imagine recieveing up to 5000+ dollars a month in benefits being taken away from you because the dumb majority is excited to get their 600-800 dollar a month bribe so that they can go yolo it all on so driven polymarket.

We need more social welfare not less. Trump already is gutting social welfare services to pump that money into ai.

The homeless don't even get benifits now due to work requirements, and they can't get a job because they don't have a home. And RFK is talking about putting them in camps.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True UBI should replace those other services, because it should be a basic income that allows people to survive without a job. You shouldn't need additional health care because we should have medicare for all. You shouldn't need low income housing because your UBI should be enough to pay for a modest home. You shouldn't need food stamps because UBI should cover it.

The fact that it's always framed as "$600 bribe!!!!!" is infuriating and absolutely wrong, because that's far from "basic." "Basic" would mean enough to live on, without requirement.

[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Again in theory I want ubi, but as I see it, its a way to reduce benifits.

Maybe the more I think about it I don't like it I'm not sure.

At its core ubi adds flexibility, and the ability for people to manage their resources at their own needs. At the same time that's part of the problem. Already social security doesnt cover it, there's people in their 70's still working at Walmart and thats including disabilities, healthcare, and food stamps if they still receive all those. I think UBI is better for private corperations to step in and capture that money instead of trying to assure peoples needs are met.

I just don't see how in the world we currently exist in how its going to work out. I feel like major structural change has to come first and we are better off with things like universal healthcare, state housing, etc.

That way it provides state/federal jobs. Often people critize goverment workers for being lazy, slow, and decently paid. I say yeah that's the point. If we are facing job loss having a form of guaranteed employment is nice. And having some inefficiency is good, providing a work life balance and not expecting ai to 3x peoples work loads is good for society.

Welfare shouldn't be this ai ran numbers maximizer for effiecency.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

You're saying "we shouldn't do it because the government would ruin it." I'm saying "the government shouldn't ruin it." To which you responded, "yeah but what if they do tho?"

I know all of that, and I'm not saying that this is the easy way out. But UBI is a much more effective and stress-tested way to introduce an effective social safety net to a capitalist society when done right. So I think we should do it right.

[–] NEZ27@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't see why UBI has to remove the rest of social services. Feels like that would fit in the "More social welfare" bin.

I don't need Bernie to fully understand AI before he continues advocating for the people. He also has enough of a track record to trust that he does not blindly believe the AI rhetoric, which is primarily pushed by the same Corpo types he usually rails against. I'd wager he's also for adding guard rails and protections.

Its good to keep pushing for good things, despite whatever noise is going on. Perfect being the enemy of good has sidetracked many an effort. Like conservatives have had no problem taking their little victories over the years chipping away at rights before going full out fascist. We need little victories do push back too.

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[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 48 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I hate how people are so used to getting ripped off that they hear “four day work week” and assume that it’s going to be 4-10’s.

Like this is Bernie. He’s not perfect, but he gets this type of shit right. Obviously he’s advocating a 32 hour, 4-day work week. It says so in the article that apparently no one read. But people are just so inured to everything getting worse all the time. Damn.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I also think companies should start paying for commute times, and that the time paid should be adjusted based on the cost of living in the area and the salary.

Of someone chooses to live 3 hours away when they could live in walking distance, that's one thing. But I work for a municipality in a prohibitively expensive area. 0 city employees live in the city they work and literally 100% of households are multi-millionaires or better. I have a 90-120 minute commute depending on traffic because that's where I can afford to live on my salary, but it also means I'm essentially working 3-4 hours extra a day.

Of course the city isn't gonna pay me 50% again more money, but if they were required to pay for my commute time they'd suddenly agree that I only really need to be in the office about once a week for public meetings since mostly what I do is Teams meetings, plan review, phone calls and emails, which could be done just as easily from my home office as at City Hall.

Shit - I get more done remote because I don't have to deal with people walking in without an appointment and demanding a meeting.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We should have a 4 day work week anyway, maximum.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

4 10 hour days, right?

/s

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I suspect many of us will be getting 7 day weekends whether we want it or not.

[–] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 12 points 2 days ago

The first couple of long weekends are nerve wracking but eventually your body enters rotting phase and then it's not so bad and you kinda don't want your 200 day weekend to end

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[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

To be fair, when I was in primary school, we were assured that the "digital revolution" (or whatever hype phrase was popular) would halve working hours, etc. What it didn't consider is that bosses would simply demand more productivity.

I mean at all. It didn't cross their minds that we'd be expected to be twice as productive now that everything was twice as quick. (And so on). 🤯

As history has shown, repeatedly, the only time a worker wins is when they unionise, protest and fight for improvements. You get nothing for free in the mediaeval, feudal system of the workplace.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

"Should"

The USA left "should" in about 1950. There is no "should" here.

Workers were abandoned by the Democrats long ago. Union membership is now less than 10% (and most of that is government employees, ironically)... it was almost 50% back in the "good old days".

There is no labor party in the USA, there is no anti-war party, there is no anti-billionaire party. There should be. But there's not.

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[–] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 138 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I'm willing to work 4x 7 hour days. If you think about the last 30 years of computer enhancing productivity, we're owed a lot!

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 70 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I work like a truck, so 4x4 would be appropriate.

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I work like a piece of wood, so 2x4 is all I'm asking

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[–] gergolippai@lemmy.world 104 points 3 days ago (1 children)

it's kinda bringing a "0 hour work" week for a lot of people.

[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't care if they bring 0 work day if they pay me universal income. I could learn full stack, draw, read books, open a company, etc. Now all I do is word, excels, and a tiny bit of incident response.

I went to college for spreadsheets.

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[–] radiouser@crazypeople.online 78 points 3 days ago (9 children)

It needs to bring a UBI with it.

[–] FoxAlive@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Copy paste from another reply to a comment:

Even when the progressives mention ubi it ALWAYS comes at the cost of removing all other social services like health care, low income housing, food stamps, social security. So imagine recieveing up to 5000+ dollars a month in benefits being taken away from you because the dumb majority is excited to get their 600-800 dollar a month bribe so that they can go yolo it all on ai driven polymarket.

We need more social welfare not less. Trump already is gutting social welfare services to pump that money into ai.

The homeless don't even get benifits now due to work requirements, and they can't get a job because they don't have a home. And RFK is talking about putting them in camps.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Oh that note, looking back, Andrew Yang might have been the best choice for a nominy in 2020.

Imagine if chatGPT came out and then the president of US, who fully understands the enshitification and rug pull model of Silicon Valley just slapped a huge VAT tax on it, or maybe forced companies to charge the real price.

Man Biden was such a bad choice in 2020

[–] apudgypanda@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago

corpo dems gonna corpo

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You all get a four day work week!

Did I mention there are no more jobs?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago (1 children)

4 day work week would be already possible if we didn't use a sizable amount of our industry production to just make useless crap. It would be 3 days, if we abolished planned obsolescence and made thing repairable.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

According to Bullshit Jobs it would be less than half the working hours if we just stopped doing those

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Coming for workers in the negative sense.

Less pay, less control, longer hours, less benefits. It’s going to steal the good and amplify the bad.

[–] 18107@aussie.zone 10 points 2 days ago

If less work needs to be done by humans, does that mean we can have Universal Basic Income, and get paid extra for the jobs that still need humans?

[–] LovelyMover@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

AT THE VERY LEAST! All its doing is impoverishing the majority & threatening mankind right now.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Stop giving AI more credit than it deserves. It's not going to change the world, it's not going to revolutionise industries, it's going to keep spitting out verbose nonsense until we get bored of it.

[–] NuanceDemon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 3 days ago (41 children)

Im surprised there are still people down on this first step of the ladder you're lingering on.

Even most AI pessimists these days agree its useful as a force multiplier, allowing one person to do a bit more work in a given time frame, while still maintaining that its not competent enough to entirely replace a human in all but the most fringe cases.

"Its useless and acheives nothing" is not a realistic take and anybody who does any kind of office job and has used an ai in the past year would be able to tell you the same.

You can remain anti-ai while still being realistic that it can be useful.

Especially if you acknowledge that the product is not the root of the problem, the late-stage capitalist system its being built to serve is the problem.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 36 points 3 days ago (12 children)

It sure is useful at making my boss post a lot of conflicting things because AI can’t understand context at all. “Force multiplier” doesn’t mean it’s multiplying good things. It can just as easily multiply nonsense.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)
  1. The cost of operating these machine learning systems is too high, and the benefit too low:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemmagreen/2026/07/02/ai-costs-more-than-the-people-it-replaced/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/artificial-intelligence/ai-costs-spiral-as-firms-lose-spending-control/articleshow/131397973.cms

https://cybernews.com/ai-news/ai-token-human-salaries-automation-spending-tech-execs/

  1. The most productive thing the current generation of machine learning systems has done is fill the Internet with garbage:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1971683/ai-is-filling-up-the-internet-with-garbage-spam-sites.html

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/over-50-percent-internet-ai-slop

https://mashable.com/article/ai-generated-internet-era-already-here

  1. LLMs are real, AI is fake.

https://pluralistic.net/2026/09/12/god-in-the-box/#llms-are-fake

The current trends in software development are being driven primarily by the interests of venture capitalists who are trying to escape the debts they acquired buying into Web 3.0 (remember Web 3.0?), the Metaverse/VR, and cryptocurrency. They're looking for the next big get-rich-quick option, and manipulating the market to try and force it to happen. The people making decisions about which projects get funded literally do not care if the end product is useful or destructive or whatever, as long as it looks convincing enough to get other people to buy it. This is why there's been so much recent hype about "AI" "escaping" its test environments and hacking other companies &etc. It makes the product sound more capable than it is in reality. It's also why the Trump administration is all-in on "AI" development and actively threatening people who object - because Trump loves a good scam that he can make money off of, and he loves to respond with violence or threats of violence when people get in his way.

The current generation of machine learning models requires vast amounts of input data to achieve useful outcomes. The entire content of the public Internet has already been scraped and ingested. There is no more training data to feed in. The current systems will gain marginal improvements in efficiency and in focusing the models to perform better at certain tasks, but that will be it. They will not magically become capable of learning new tasks for which there is not millions of data points for training. The training is done, refining is in progress, but there will not be any major leaps in capability. There certainly won't be a general artificial intelligence.

Maybe the next generation of machine learning will produce software that can teach itself without an Internet's worth of input data. That will happen after the current market implodes, and another generation or two of research and development is completed.

Perhaps there is some value in the current generation as you say. Whatever the benefit of it might be, the cost is far too high. It is not and never will be worth the damage being done to the Internet, the economy, human society, and the environment we all live in.

And I haven't even gotten into generative models being used to create child exploitation material, run massive scam operations, produce massive amounts of propaganda, or enable the authoritarian surveillance state. This stuff is trash, the people in charge of the development are trash, the people peddling it are trash, the people funding it are trash, and the people that support it are trash.

Get correct.

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