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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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Outdated by today's understanding of identity but this '90s show banged out many subversive pro-trans messages.

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[–] AbsolutelyNotSpez@lemmy.world 155 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] eurodyne@piefed.world 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Kor, Dahar Master and Trans Ally πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈ

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 40 points 2 months ago

When one of my best friends from childhood came out to me, he texted me after a few years of not having spoken (life stuff, not intentional on either side). This is basically how it went.

Him: hey, man

Me: [dead name]! I've missed you, what's up?

Him: Actually, it's [new, male name] now. I'm transitioning.

Me: [new, male name]! I've missed you, what's up?

Totally unintentional to the star trek reference, but he got a real kick it out of it, and reference ds9 after lol

[–] meat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 months ago

Makes me tear up a little

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

Save this one to send to your transphobic family members as needed.

[–] stankcheez@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

male, female, or anywhere in between β€” the spots go all the way down

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"the spots go all the way down" can this be the universal code for acceptance?

[–] one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I think it is what past Rutherford would have said to an attractive trill trying to get in their pants.

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[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Does anyone know the background of this character? Is she some being that changes sex randomly every night?

[–] user1234@fedinsfw.app 49 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She's a symbiotic species with a slug-like creature in her. The humanoid part only lives about as long as a human, but the slug lives for many centuries and when one host body dies, the slug is moved to another. It contains memories from previous hosts. This scene was from shortly after one host died and the slug was moved into a new one, who wasn't quite as prepared for the transition.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Brain memories and muscle memory. Ezir was able to do backflips because a previous host was a gymnast

[–] SarahValentine@pawb.social 17 points 2 months ago

Muscle memory is a type of brain memory. It's not literally stored in the muscles or anything like that.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Also worth mentioning that while memories are retained in the slug, each host/slug combination is considered to be a unique being and not necessarily exactly the same person as past incarnations. They deliberately play with the boundary of this to show how having different body or gender is part of who we are but doesn’t totally define us.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ok, it was mentioned that she is a Trill with a symbiote that moves from host to host, BUT a couple relevant points.

1 - The worm (symbiote) that lives in them merges with the host, combining personalities. This symbiote has been joined to eight hosts at this point, which means there's about that meany people's lives in there.

2 - Not all trill get a symbiote, they typically go to a special academy and need to be in an elite group to get one. Once you merge, you can't unmerge without killing the host.

3 - this host, Ezri, was untrained and would not normally get a symbiote, but the previous host was killed and she was the closest available host, so she was assigned this symbiote without being properly prepared.

4 - two of the previous hosts - Curzon (a male host) and Jadzia (a female host) were extremely popular and well respected, which put a lot of extra pressure on the current host, leading to a lot of self doubt and personal identity confusion.

[–] eurodyne@piefed.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A note on point 2: the merging doesn’t become β€œpermanent” per se immediately. There’s a brief window of a few days or so when the symbyote can be removed from the host, undoing the blending, but it’s quite psychologically traumatic for the host the be separated once the blending has begun and physically traumatic for the symbyote.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She's a Trill, a being that maintains its prior memories from host to host.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago

I see, that's cool!

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 13 points 2 months ago

This is Ezri Dax.. She is a Trill. Some trill host symbiotes. The symbiotes live longer than their hosts. During hosting memories and personalities blend, and the symbiote will carry that blending into the next host.

Her symbiote is named Dax and was previously hosted by both another female, Jadzia, and a male Curzon, and several others.

Jazdia Dax was the name of Jadzia hosting Dax. Curzon Dax was the name of Curzon hosting Dax.

[–] Steve@startrek.website 11 points 2 months ago

A long lived slug lookin thing that lives inside a humanoid host body and kinda merges their personality and memories. Ezri is like the 8th host to Dax.

[–] Tango@piefed.ca 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

If you're gonna hang out in a Star Trek fedicomm you're probably gonna wanna watch TOS (The Original Series), TNG (The Next Generation) and DS9 (Deep Space Nine) at a minimum. They're quite good, but fair warning: the special effects are pretty dated, especially in TOS. The writing and acting hold up terrifically, though.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

*with caveats. Some episodes are best left skipped.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Or specifically-watched to see just how BAD Star Trek could be at its lowest points. Looking at you, Code of Honor...

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The episode that came to my mind. There are others, but none so bad.

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[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those episodes are frequently discussed and memed, though, so as far as community involvement goes they’re actually among the most important!

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not code of honor. There's no redeeming quality in that.

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[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

I absolutely don't wanna squash your enthusiasm, but I think for people randomly popping in here from /all, watching three whole series to answer one question is a bit overkill. Even if I'm interested in ST (and I definitely am), the suggestion* that I have to watch them all in order to be a part of the community is a bit daunting. Personally, I struggle with having shows hold my attention anyway, so committing to all that is a non-starter.

* I know you didn't mean it as an explicit "you have to", but the expectation "you'll want to watch... at minimum" creates a certain impression

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[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Outdated by today’s understanding of identity

Because she's talking about being a Trill host to a symbiote, not being transgender. They are two entirely different things.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Animal Farm was just about farm animals

[–] gnufuu@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Trill don't seem to suffer much from social stigma or body dysphoria. Their "transition" is deeply rooted in their culture. TNG S05E17 "The Outcast" feels much more representative.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Trill don't seem to suffer much from social stigma or body dysphoria

Yes. And trans people would be the same if accepted by society like trill are. That's the lesson.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago (10 children)

The Trill aren't a stand-in for trans people. The show used their experience to occasionally send a message. They had to be subversive enough in this era that the majority of middle America that had no appetite for it wouldn't even notice.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"Would you still love me if my personality was the almagamation of 50 other people linked by a giant, immortal slug?"

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[–] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

After this show, I always wanted to name my future daughter Esri but then I wound up working with the IRL geo mapping software company which goes by the same name and now I just can't seem to bother.

That and I'm still a burnt out virgin still living with parents. lmao

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

^when you wanted Ezri but got Norvo

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[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

Another example of this subversion was in one of the first few episodes of DS9 when someone refers to Jadzia "before she was a woman."

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I believe DS9 showed two women kissing for the first time on TV.

Edit: Correction, it was not in fact the first kiss between women on TV.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

First kiss was Law and Order Feb 1991.

Oct 1995 was Dax's kiss.

And in Feb of 2001 Willow Rosenberg couldn't figure out what to wear.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 months ago

May not have been the first but it still made me cry happy tears when I first watched it a few months ago.

[–] Kojichan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Definetely feel this... dont feel comfortable, myself.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago

If trans, never stop looking for the supportive people to surround yourself with. They had to be subversive in the 90s and they may have to again in the future. But they will always be there.

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