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Freedom for all would abolish private slave ownership and trade. There's no precedent in Roman history.

This is how dumb arguments like this one sound. Only a genocidal maniac could unironically spew nonsense like this.

Fuck the NYT. I unsubscribed the moment they started shit talking Bernie back in the day.

If there were two candidates I could vote for, one of them saying they would establish universal healthcare but allow private insurance to continue; and one who would establish universal healthcare and promise to abolish private insurance - I would emphatically vote for the latter.

Also, even with countries that have a public option private insurance is usually still allowed. There are zero good arguments against it and a lot of superfluous nonsense meant to muddy the waters.

The American precedent is life continuously getting worse for the 99% with no pushback

NYT are a fascist mouthpiece

Most people are missing the subtext on this: they’re saying you’d wipe out an entire industry overnight and literally millions of people would be unemployed overnight. Given the pisspoor state of the welfare system in America this is actually a fairly serious issue that must be accounted for whenever a transition actually occurs. It also means a huge block of potential voters, anyone who works for Cigna, Aetna, Kaiser permanente, bcbs, etc, is going to be far more likely to oppose any such changes. Plus other related industries like medical billing and families that are dependent on these incomes

This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t transition asap of course, it just means there’s a complex set of issues to navigate that honestly are never touched upon by people who propose healthcare reform. That’s how you know they aren’t serious. Either they’re proposing a system that props up these companies (ala Harris) which means the costs of medical care will not appreciably improve (America pays an insane amount of admin costs especially relative to other countries, like 5-7x as much). Or they are mentioning it with no intention to make it happen

"Quitting predatory business practices would abolish all predatory businesses!"

Oh no. Anyway...

That’s peak ignorance. Plenty of countries with universal heathcare have a thriving private medical insurance industry. The thing is they cannot force the scam level prices they do in the US, because private insurance is a ‘nice to have’ instead of a ‘must have’ thing.

There is no president in history of insurance being so expensive and worthless.

My insurance does that, plus charges me more than not having insurance until I hit the $13k

There is a precedent and it's called the VA. The military is the largest socialist organization in the US.

Someone needs to think of the shareholders who would need to sell their mega yachts because of this madness.

Except in every civilized country in the world.

We have generations of data from countries all over the world with universal healthcare. It costs the people less, undeniably; there's zero benefit to for-profit private insurance... for people, anyway (not corporations).

I'm not positive, but I think USA is the last "western nation" without it. So... US taxpayers actually send billions to other nations all over the globe, all of which have better healthcare. Nice.

Even Mexico has universal healthcare, soon they'll be trying to end American migration...

Oh my God, it just dawned on me. Trump was right... Mexico will pay for the wall! Trump's lowering US citizen's standard of living severely so that they will have flee over the border by the millions and viola! Wall.

Brilliant.

If everything had to have precedent, nothing would ever change.

And still tries to decline your claims.

oh no, my private insurance, which only gave life saving measure to an astonishing number of people who are alive and thriving today because one of their CEOs got shot in the fucking face, deservedly

A national law against child labor was passed in 1916, but it was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1918. A 1919 law was also overturned. In the 1920s, an effort to pass a constitutional amendment failed, because of opposition from the South and from Catholics. The Fair Labor Standards Act (part of the New Deal) in 1938 finally ended child labor in factories, mines, and other occupations. Child labor has always been a factor in agriculture and that continues into the 21st century. — Wikipedia

Something tells me if we did a complete archive search of NYT (and, for that matter, WSJ), circa 1910-1940, we'd find that it has, indeed, defended child labor in the US.

Stopping the orphan crushing machine would abolish the orphan crushing industry. There's no precedent in American history.

Medicare for All would save a trillion dollars and 114,000 American lives, both annually. Fuck the insurance racket.

“Abolish?” Pshaw. People even have private insurance in the EU under full government healthcare.

If you were still wondering if the NYT shills for the oligarchs…