wtf is this bullshit
and more importantly, why is it so condescending?!
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wtf is this bullshit
and more importantly, why is it so condescending?!
nixCraft (at cyberciti biz) is a site that has been slop publishing tutorials for everything ever possible with common unixy commands. And also shit like "30 Cool Open Source Software I Discovered in 2013". It often calls Unix "Linux", other times it uses both "Unix/Linux" for some reason, and sometimes it even says "on BSD, MacOS" for flags that only function on GNU coreutils. It started pre-AI, so it's like clickhole but for "installed Fedora yesterday" people (although I would imagine most traffic being "I've been using this for 24 years and forgot some flag").
I will preface this comment by saying I genuinely consider myself to be rather dumb, and slow to learn many things. With that being said, I've never had a single issue with the one arch based distro I have used (Cachy). I never had to really look up any docs, but to learn to install some specific programs. Overall it...just kinda worked? Only reason I switched to Fedora was for that extra peace of mind knowing its a bit more stable than rolling release, but still has more updated software than Debian based distros.
Same.
Cachy is my intro to linux distro world and so far I love it. I spent an hour to set it up, then a day to host all that I wantrd, then maybe... 30 minutes maintenance since April?
My only gripe is that I don't know the Linux too well, so I sometimes struggle with it - e. g. I selfhost on my minipc a dedicated Satisfactory server ans I had to turn off wifi power protection mode (or smthing like that) to have stable ping.
I am pretty sure that this is something that Linux could've detected for me and asked me "hi, I've noticed you have regular long term many sources incoming/outgoing sessions, with your wifi power settings the connection quality might be suffering".
CachyOS + Flathub (Bazaar) = not a single problem since I've started using it. But if I had to go to something more "stable", I think I'd go for Bazzite.
Same. Itβs been good for me since i swapped about 8 months ago.
Isn't Bazaar the storefront from Bazzite?
i genuinely wonder where people are getting their information when they talk about linux. mass schizophrenic hysteria?
One of my devices is an offline device that I bring online every few months for updates (my VPN only gives me limited spots, so some devices take turns using the VPN). I guarantee you updates this infrequent would break most distros, including Arch. But since I use an atomic/immutable distro, it works every time.
This is what's so great about atomic distros. Super reliable and hard to break. Just set and forget.
Stay away from the AUR and arch is fine. Calm down
Code is a mass noun, and as such it's a shibboleth. People who "open a code" have no idea what they are doing.
What if I write all my .cpp files in Notepad instead of directly into a compiler?
My machines got borked every time I tried to do a Debian or Fedora dist-upgrade following the official guide, like 4 times total. Rolling updates on Arch require manual intervention once in a blue moon and haven't broken my system since I got rid of Nvidia
Ubuntu will actively break itself via snapd at like 2am on a Sunday.
Fedora could not do a fully system update on a 1GB VPS because dnf would OOM.
The dumbest thing I've seen Arch do in over a decade of using it is put RabbitMQ in its official repos while also rolling the latest version of Erlang which RabbitMQ doesn't support.
I'm not one of those Arch evangelicals, but this isn't true at all now.
100%. Iβve got servers running arch for the past 5 years or so and theyβre the most stable systems Iβve got. I got so tired of the painful upgrade paths on βstableβ distros so decided to switch a server to a rolling release.
After I found arch got security patches into the repos faster than the stable distros could backport, I decided to switch them all over.
Iβm even a mad man and have them self update with a script that checks informant (or something, canβt actually remember) for installed packages against news. If no installed packages are found in news, it continues with the scheduled update.
Itβs glorious.
I fully endorse gentoo and arch in prod
I was too lazy for scripting the update to check the news and just get a mail when the update has issues... or should get one.
In reality I check if the email process still works once every blue moon because I didn't get one from a failed update in years.
And if I'm a windows normie that's sick of windows windowing, I'll be fine using mint... Right? Y'all are good at making this sound very complex.
Mint is perfect for exactly that purpose. There's a daunting marketplace of alternatives all with different specialties. Mint's specialty is being as easy and newbie friendly as possible. Out of the box - it just works - etc.
It's easier just recommending the distro rather than Linux in general.
I know someone who was starting to dislike windows, I sent them the Linux mint site. Had a much more positive interaction compared to when I had just previously said "what about using Linux?"
I actually think this is a similar way to push the fediverse. Just recommend a good instance instead of trying to sell them on federated technology. The federated technology will show them content and "how does this actually work" could be a conversation for later.
That sounds like a good approach, actually.
Mint is meant for beginners and folk who just want an OS, not a hobby.
Another to check out is ZorinOS. Same deal as Mint, but looks wise is closer to modern Windows and is also designed to make it very easy to run windows programs in Linux.
I use zorin on a desktop and Mint on a laptop. Both are fantastic. I also use Ubuntu server (no GUI) for my home webserver, and it's really good (but I'll never use uwubuntu for a desktop OS again)
Mint is super nice for people that don't like linux stuff. I use it in my workstations and most don't even know they are on linux.
I'll be fine using mint... Right?
Probably! Best way to find out, is to just try it out :)
Y'all are good at making this sound very complex.
Fwiw, this isn't really aimed at people who are just dipping their toes in. Enthusiasts in any field can sound insane from the outside in
Anyone remembers Gentoo? ;)
Arch Linux also stands for I can't configure Gentoo. :p
I found Arch Linux to be less maintenance that Debian/Ubuntu, but then again I need to tweak every aspect of my system and both Debian and Ubuntu keep getting in my way. For example Firefox now requires snap on Ubuntu systems, and Debian requires that I maintain my own version of Pipewire if I want decent sound on my earbuds. Also Apt/dpkg does seem to break a lot.
I also had issues with Manjaro and SteamOS due to system packages being a version or two behind vanilla Arch, which breaks things when you install AUR packages. That being said I have used both Garuda Linux and CachyOS and I've liked both. They get that balance between not requiring that I setup everything myself, while not getting in my way when I want to tinker.
These types of posts are such rage bait. It makes me sad that they actually work.
I wonder how many Arch haters have actually used Arch and ever ran into a breaking issue.
In my 8 years of daily driving Arch, I have had 1 ever, and it was only bad bc I didn't know of BTRFS yet.
That happened 3 years in, and I went on a new distro-hopping spree in between, trying Fedora, NixOS, and others, and they had actual problems. Not "oh an update broke my system and was fixed in a day."
So now I've been back on Arch for more years.
This whole "Arch is always breaking and takes so much maintenance" is a myth. In reality, Arch is the most stable, because it packages everything Vanilla. Everything works the "standard" way. On Debian, things decay, and then some stuff that's new breaks with some stuff that's old. On Fedora, there is a Red-Hat tax: configs in weird places, strange scripts, software missing from main repos (COPR sucks btw). On Arch, it's just "normal" Linux; and that works
Once I learned to make separate partitions for root, home, EFI, and then make routine backup of my package list, the update fears evaporate. Though with how CachyOS sets up btrfs snapshots by default now, it'd be pretty hard to deep fry an install beyond repair.
Yeah, I've noticed there's this subsection of people that have a completely wrong understanding of what the term "stable" means in the world of distros, and that it often creates as many problems as it solves, particularly on a desktop PC, or even worse, a gaming PC.
And for there record: Stable just means that things don't change. That doesn't mean it contains less bugs, is easier to use or is more secure. And on the flip side it doesn't mean that distros that are not "stable" are necessarily "unstable" in any shape or form.
I chose Arch as my first distro last year and it's chugging along fine. It works just like any other computer imo.
I chose Arch as my first and only distro 13 years ago. Only had system breaking problems a handful of times in that span. They were all because I fucked something up playing with files I shouldn't have. These are all tired memes from old reputations. Pay attention to what you're doing and you'll be fine.
Unpopular opinion, but how about we take Linux seriously? Arch is a solid OS, unlike Ubuntu, but it's still much more manageable than say Gentoo or LFS. Get off your high horses.
I know this wasn't your main point, but I never found Gentoo to be unmanageable, just that compiling everything can get a bit tiresome.
I'd still be using it were it not for NixOS, and declarative system management in particular.
Yeah, the arch installation on my desktop is about a decade old at this point. It was installed on a completely different computer. No issues.
Ironically, it's the rolling release that's much more stable for me.
"Stable" distros often had a long and risky process of upgrading to the next major release.
Meanwhile, my Arch install has been pretty damn stable for over 10 years and went through several different PCs.
I boot my arch laptop once in a blue moon and update it. Its not 2002 anymore.

Sincerely, a Gentoo user.