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[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Male socialized = beaten with a belt

I think plenty of girls are beaten with a belt too

Yo some of y'all in the comments really need to get educated on Transfeminism. Quit trying to argue trans women are "biological males" that's just transmisogyny.

[–] erinmeow@piefed.blahaj.zone 39 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"male socialized"? IM NOT SOCIALIZED AT ALL!!!!! my gender is neurodivergent socialized

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[–] scbasteve@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Hey, Im a straight cis male. I have no idea what this means, however i do like to keep my head on a swivel for new dog whistle, ways to be hateful, stereotypes, so on and whatnot, so I can avoid people like that. Can someone please explain this to me?

[–] Ikonaka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

The term "male socialized" is mostly used to try to split trans and cis women appart. People that use this word basically use the logic men are bad, and they behave bad, and if one (trans) woman was treated as a man before they adopt that behaviour.

This is just a way to basically call trans people their Asigned gender at birth without really doing so.

People tried to "socialize" me as male a long time and guess what? It did not work. Like I was and still am a woman. The thing I rather say when talking about that concept is that people treated me as if I were male.

[–] subverted_per@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This is a thing i struggle with a lot because i realized i was trans late. So the term makes sense to me on a superficial level. But it also ignores the lifetime of struggle i had trying to fit in as a male, and disliking so many aspects of male socialization. The term is avoiding conflict, while still denying the experience of trans women.

Also to add to your point, so much of anti-trans rhetoric is structured around the idea that all cis men are actively preying women.

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"Male socialized" is often just used as a euphamism for "manly mannish male man men" by transphobes. They're not that deep with it.

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One of the worst things about the "male socialized" or "biological male" dog whistles is that it's used to treat transfems as having all the worst traits associated with men but none of the privileges. We can be accused of being aggressive, predatory, violent, etc. But we are never get taken seriously like men do, never get the benefit of the doubt, and certainly don't benefit materially like they do. Men don't get discriminated against for employment or housing like we do, men make a ton more money than we do. In fact trans women make less than cis women do on average. Also transfems are the only group that are systemically sex trafficked by the government (look up v-coding)

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 days ago

Let's not forget how this also degrades gender-nonconforming cis women. Saying "oh, that thing you're doing is a male thing from male socialization" works to tell trans women they're not "real" women, but equally signals to some cis women they're not "real" women either! This really just boils down to policing women, just the same old patriarchal standards.

[–] BonkTheAnnoyed@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 5 days ago (10 children)

"Socialized male" is one of the key tools in deploying transmisogyny specifically against trans women.

transphobic examples
Oh, you're angry? That's because at root, you're really a man. Sorry, fem-card revoked for 30 days.

You dress masculine-ish because it's more comfortable? That's because you were grown up as a man and you really are one at root.

Hey, you're wearing too much makeup and those costume jewelry look like a cartoon of a woman. That's because you're really a man and you were raised as one.

And on and on and on. It's crap. Just walk away from it. Transmisogyny is just one form of gaslighting.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 5 days ago

Also, it's unfalsifiable.

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[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And then there's "biological man"/"biological woman", which simply don't exist but get used frequently anyway.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well of course I'm biological, what else would I be? Synthetic?

[–] webp@mander.xyz 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] Fiona@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Oh, those terms exist and can even have reasonable meaning, just not the one the transphobes think they do:

I am a biological woman: My metabolism runs on estrogen, my T is basically nothing, I have breasts and at some point in the future I'll even have a vagina. If I am to receive sex-dependent medical treatment I have to receive the female version, because that is just how my body works now.

What I'm saying is that the term can be useful in certain contexts, but the dividing line is not cis/trans but if anything what someone's hormones are doing, assuming that it even aligns with what is typical for one of the two peaks in a bimodal distribution (meaning that there are very much people who can easily be classified as β€œneither”).

But unless you are a biologist or directly engaging in medical treatment or research, it is just not a relevant thing.

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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 16 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Wait wat. Then how am I supposed to express exactly that? I only realized I was trans close to graduating high school. All my close friends up to that point had been male. Male gender stereotypes influenced what I did in my free time, how I behaved in class, how I saw the world.

It took effort to shed some of that. Maybe it's because I haven't heard it used in a transphobic context yet, but "I was male socialized" is, I'd have said up to this post at least, very apt.

[–] androgynouscloudmoon@slrpnk.net 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

There ARE transphobic contexts that other people here can better explain, but also, "Male/Female Socialization" generally implies that everyone has the exact same set of experiences they go through based exclusively on assigned gender, ignoring race/ethicity, sexuality, class, ability, neurodivergence, etc.

Like were you "male socialized" as a middle-class neurotypical white guy or what? It just doesn't provide a lot of useful context compared to how often it's used as a thought-terminating cliche to dismiss trans people discussing gendered issues.

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[–] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Literally everybody has "male socialisation," it came free with your patriarchal society that centres male narratives as the default human experiences. It's why I don't think it's a useful term with any real practical applicability beyond bullying trans women.

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[–] iltg@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

transphobes will use literally anything as dog whistles and slurs so we may as well keep using terms which allow us to describe, analyze and study our social relations and functioning

many transfemmes have good jobs because they graduated and got employed passing as male, so how should the feminist community point out that the wage gap applies differently to some woman?

also a lot of us carry trauma given to us by exactly that male socialization: competing, performing and taking space as social mechanisms get ingrained over years, so feminist spaces may use "male socialization" to point to our struggles and behaviors with an appropriate term, refusing such critics under the guise of "transphobia" surely does us no good

also it's not like you learned to lurk boy spaces and you can never change that, we can be male socialized and yet fully social women

There may be a handful of trans women who've gotten good jobs pre-transitipn but they are less likely to keep them during transition. Also trans women make less then cis women on average. To say trans women have an advantage over cis women is just transmisogyny

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[–] edg@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (9 children)

Maybe I just haven't seen it used by transphobes, but I don't see what's wrong with male socialized. The first time I heard it I thought it described how being raised male and peer pressured into acting male has fucked me up.

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[–] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

I didn’t realize I was trans until I was 21, and I sometimes use it to refer to the habits/tendencies ingrained in me (many of which I’m trying to un-learn) through my youth. I try to avoid it because of the general connotation, but sometimes it’s the best descriptor to encapsulate that in one term

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

You were raised "trans in denial". That's not the same thing as being raised as a cis person of your assigned gender, even though it may look like it from the outside.

[–] riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

i was raised to be a man. that was not my fault. this was done to me by this fucked up patriarchal system, and turns out i neither want to be a man nor am i a man now.

but being trans did not make me immune to the harmful behaviours and ideas that are taught to those children perceived as boys. i internalized many patriarchal ideas, and while realizing that i am trans at the age of 20 helped me unlearn some of that shit, i am still not free of it and am still unlearning.

not everyone goes through the same and not everyon processes it the same, so i don't doubt that other people who were raised to be men (both cis men and trans people) made different experiences, but it is certainly true for me.

i don't know if "male socialisation" is the best word for it, but i think it makes sense to have a word to describe what i and many others went through

it definitely should not define us. everyone can and should unlearn the patriarchal ideas and behaviours they internalized. overcome and reject their socialization.

it is cruel and pointless to hate people for what was done to them; for a past they left behind.

[–] apotheotic@beehaw.org 10 points 5 days ago (6 children)

I think its important to draw a line.

"Male socialisation" implies that everyone who was AMAB went through the same kind of upbringing and was exposed to the same kinds of indoctrination, toxicity, and bias. It is an over generalisation at best, and intentionally misrepresentative at worst.

If you want to talk specifically about what being assigned male at birth did to your upbringing, I can see it being useful to have a generally understood terminology for that. But you aren't talking about something that is necessarily applicable as a broad term like "male socialisation".

I was raised by people who thought I was a male, and part of that bombarded me with machismo and objectification of women. Traditional masculine values were, or at least there was an attempt to, pasted onto me. But many of them slid right off because even if I didnt acknowledge it until a decade or more later, I was a woman, and these values did not align with me. Some stuck, and took learning and introspection to undo.

I am still undoing some of that and I'm sure theres more that I'm unaware of that I will be undoing for years. But my experience differed so greatly from one whose identity aligns with their assigned gender at birth, because the core assumption at the root of what those around me were trying to impart upon me, was wrong. I was not a man. I have never been a man.

I can plant a seed and a plastic bead in the same soil, give them the same fertiliser, water them the same, and only the seed will grow into a plant. The bead might be wet, or dirty, just like the seed, but to expect that it would have experienced the same resulting changes as the seed would be unwise.

"Male socialization" paints transgender women as invariably unable to escape the chains of their assigned gender at birth. Let us rather discuss, on an individual basis, the toxicity and unhelpful values that were or were not taught by those we trusted.

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[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 5 days ago (5 children)

It's not that it is always an anti trans dog whistle, just that it's frequently used as one. When you see otherwise used that way, it causes PTSD when people use it innocuously. I still can't here "fren" without instantly being suspicious

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