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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 17 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Do not fall into the trap of anthropomorphising Larry Ellison. You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle. — Brian Cantrill (https://youtu.be/-zRN7XLCRhc?t=33m1s)

And

I actually think that it does a dis-service to not go to Nazi allegory because if I don't use Nazi allegory when referring to Oracle there's some critical understanding that I have left on the table […] in fact as I have said before I emphatically believe that if you have to explain the Nazis to someone who had never heard of World War 2 but was an Oracle customer there's a very good chance that you would explain the Nazis in Oracle allegory. — also Brian Cantrill (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79fvDDPaIoY&t=24m)

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Everyone wants AI to be the next cloud boom until the bill arrives. Betting tens of billions on one customer whose own business model is still being debated is bold. If demand keeps exploding Oracle looks brilliant. If not, this could become the case study every finance class uses.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They're also juicing their numbers. They've got obsolete GPUs on the books for years after they're irrelevant.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Corporations lying on their books to decieve investors? Shocking!!!!

That only happens on days that end in Y.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's not unusual, but it's kind of a big deal for a corporation as large as Oracle to be doing it because it means they're hiding tens if not hundreds of billions from showing up on the bad side of their account charts.

So they've got negative cash flow so that they could show epic growth, but the growth itself is hella juiced because the GPUs are only relevant for about 3 years till the new ones are out and make more AI for less power. And they depreciate them over 7 years. More than twice as long as they can or should use the GPUs for.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

the growth itself is hella juiced because the GPUs are only relevant for about 3 years till the new ones are out and make more AI for less power. And they depreciate them over 7 years. More than twice as long as they can or should use the GPUs for.

We don't actually know this for sure, yet. I had expected the A100 generation (released in 2020) to no longer be profitable to run by now, but the backlog in new data centers being turned on and the high demand from Anthropic and OpenAI still leaves those chips useful for inference. You can rent those 2020 chips out today at some price above what they cost to continue running (300W, so electricity prices of USD $0.20 per kWh would translate into about 6 cents per hour. Prevailing spot prices appear to be about $2/hour right now.

But just because I was wrong on 2020 chips, originally sold for about $15,000 in a low interest rate environment, doesn't mean that I'm wrong about 2024 chips, the B100s that use 1000W and were sold for $35,000, requiring a ton more specialized cooling, power, and network infrastructure. Or the 2026 R100s that use 2000W, and whose prices I can't seem to find published anywhere, but were set after the memory companies basically locked in their record breaking prices for their HBM. That's an unsustainable path and at some point, data centers start struggling to find users willing to pay the bare minimum necessary to continue turning a profit on GPU usage.

I doubt the 2024 chips stay in service to 2031. And I'm really, really skeptical that the 2026 chips stay in service to 2033, especially after NVIDIA switches to yearly release cycles next year.

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I blame low interest rates.

Speculating on someone who themselves are speculating that their customer's speculation will be fruitful is exactly what low interest rates encourage. Everyone likes the extra activity that produces on the macros, but it just makes the market less accurate.

Interest rates basically set how permissive the market is with its todo list. The problem is when you let yourself do anything, and then also let yourself get distracted doing something that might help something that you maybe shuldn't be doing anyway. This is not a functional life. It's a busy life, but not functional.

If you want to kill AI, raise the interest rates. It will cause a recession, which sucks. But frankly, humanity will survive a recession and it will be temporary. A higher interest rate market solves real problems that benefit actual people within a near horizon. What we don't need is people working 14 hour days, slaving to keep their heads above water, working for companies engaged in far-off speculative race for world dominance; we wouldn't want them to succeed at anyway. That's 100% what we're all doing, and it is interest rates that modulate that.

Raising interest rates will kill all of those jobs involved in that, and sadly a few more from the shock. But those people weren't doing anything productive for humanity anyway. It's better to have them lose those jobs and then later redirect their labor towards something productive. In the long term they are digging themselves out of having a job with their current path anyway.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)
[–] sobchak@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Amazon was junk level for a long time. I don't think it's uncommon for early, "grow fast at all costs" companies to have poor credit ratings. Though, Oracle really isn't an early stage company.

[–] hypeerror@sh.itjust.works 14 points 6 hours ago

Oracle is 50 years old. Most public tech companies aren't even half that mature.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 6 hours ago

The scorpion and the frog.

Except oracle is more of a venomous toad

[–] RavuAlHemio@lemmy.world 43 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I believe S&P should only give out two ratings: Standard and Poor.

(On that note, I don’t know why people assume that the ratings of a company named Moody’s are primarily based on facts and not someone’s current emotional state.)

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago

Something something the Dow of Poo.

[–] a_postmodern_hat@lemmy.world 31 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Funny story: I raised a support request with Oracle last week to confirm if one of their products was vulnerable to Januscape.

When I got a copy-pasta ‘no’ I asked why there was an Oracle-issued advisory for kernels the product ships with.

A couple of days later they updated the SR with ‘yes, please update’

LOL

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 hour ago

I bet the first response was AI

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 24 points 17 hours ago

Couldn’t happen to a nicer company

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 81 points 22 hours ago

Oracle has been a castle built on sand for a long time. Their entire business model hinged on pulling off massive pricing bait-and-switches with large companies, and there's only so many of those you can do before people get wise to it.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 43 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Are another 30,000 employees getting laid off?

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago

they are hiring more, so they can reach their layoff targets

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 18 hours ago

for the paramount-cw MERGER, it likely will be more if goes through. right now the blue states are suing to stopt he merger.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 204 points 1 day ago

It would be funnier if the whole stock market weren't a scam machine.

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 143 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I haven't watched "The Big Short" in a long time... but aren't BBB- rated things "dogshit wrapped in catshit"?

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago

In the mortgage collapse that drove the world economy to the brink, the ratings agencies were rating dogshit in catshit as AAA, they certainly didn't give it something more appropriate like BBB-. There was a good scene where Burry (played by Carrell) went to fitch and asked them why they hadn't changed the rating on the MBS(shit sandwich) when the underlying mortgages were worth zero. The Fitch person said they didn't feel the need to. They were of course being paid--and still are--by the companies they rate.

[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It's there in the S&P 500 between MSFT and PLTR on the left kind of in the middle (size of the box is the market cap of the company). It's in practically every 401(k) in the US. BBB is somewhere in the middle of the jenga tower.

[–] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

(the colors are whether and how much the stock rose, not credit rating)

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[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Replying to myself to put up a link to the jenga tower scene of The Big Short in case nobody has seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbiDrzTd8fE

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

And here’s the blurred Florida scene that follows, imagine the realtors are CEOs and the strippers are vibe coders who think their apps are perfect.

https://youtu.be/MesrrYyuoa4

[–] historicaldocuments@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

The adult entertainers are the VC investors. They're pretty world-wise, but can't be well versed on everything. So when someone sells them on something that sounds pretty good, they bite. The CEOs are the bros laughing about how great everything is, except in real life they don't have consequences. All the CEOs get paid like it might be their last job so if they never work again they're still fine.

It's still impressive to see what the LLMs cook up when asked about programming problems. I'm coming back to programming from some time away from it, and it'll give you the answer to the question you asked. If you ask it for an old way of doing something, it'll tell you that. Then it slips and shows you a new way of doing something (I'm specifically talking about std::cout versus std::format and std::print), and the doors are wide open all of a sudden.

Then it gives you a technique for something and you spend hours debugging code only for the LLM to say that the solution it provided won't work.

Prompt engineering is going to be a real thing whether we like it or not.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 37 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Also wtf is with that website? "Data Tracking Consent required for free use"? I'm like 99% sure that's a wilful and deliberate GDPR violation.

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world -2 points 6 hours ago

Nice forum sliding

[–] EmotionalSupportBees@lemmy.today 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

No they let you opt out of sharing data with the hundreds 3rd parties they share your data with......by clicking reject next to each of their names on another page...

It probably is legal and if you follow the money I'm willing to be there is some lobbying form who argued to get a provision like this snuck into GDPR during some backroom deal.

Took me longer to do that than to read the article.

Never has it been so clear to me that I was the product.

Edit: IANAL, it seems to be legal under the GDPR because they offer an option to pay for the content. Idk about the preselected form to turn off individual advertising cookies, that still seems like it would still be an illegal dark pattern under the GDPR.

[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 20 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

It probably is legal and if you follow the money I’m willing to be there is some lobbying form who argued to get a provision like this snuck into GDPR during some backroom deal.

No, it's not legal.

Seems like you're making stuff up to match your broad views instead of checking or reading wherever. Which would be one thing if it's just for your own views, but you're unjustly propagating misinformation and system distrust.

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-21-gdpr/

At the latest at the time of the first communication with the data subject, the right referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2 shall be explicitly brought to the attention of the data subject and shall be presented clearly and separately from any other information.

https://gdpr-info.eu/art-25-gdpr/

1The controller shall implement appropriate technical and organisational measures for ensuring that, by default, only personal data which are necessary for each specific purpose of the processing are processed. 2That obligation applies to the amount of personal data collected, the extent of their processing, the period of their storage and their accessibility. 3In particular, such measures shall ensure that by default personal data are not made accessible without the individual’s intervention to an indefinite number of natural persons.

More explanation what that means specifically on https://gdpr-info.eu/issues/consent/


Sorry if my response sounds harsh or unjustified. We're on a public platform after all where people share their views and understanding. It just pains me to read misinformation on such a good thing amongst less good things.

Regarding the subscription or consent choice I've read multiple times that it was ruled illegal. I'm confused why is still practiced.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

You do realize that your quotes prove the disclaimer is legal, right?

They're stopping you before collecting data and making you choose.

[–] EmotionalSupportBees@lemmy.today 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Are you okay? I edited my comment to correct myself well before you got yourself worked up writing that.

You need some serious help because it "Seems like you're making stuff up to match your broad views instead of checking or reading wherever", reading whatever being reading my actual comment lol

EDIT: HEY ITS IN ALL CAPS CAN YOU SEE THIS EDIT?

IT'S CALLED THE PAY-OR-CONSENT MODEL. Now that I'm sure it's impossible for you to have missed this I'll go back to normal text:

As of 2026, enforcement trends suggest regulators are not saying the model itself is illegal. They are focusing on how Pay-or-Consent is implemented and whether users have a real choice to accept or reject tracking without paying

Hmm seem's like a quick 5 second Google search is all it took instead of making stuff up to match my broad views instead of checking or reading whatever 🙄

The Pay-or-Consent Model: Is it Legal in 2026?

Sorry if my response sounds harsh or unjustified. We're on a public platform after all where people share their views and understanding. It just pains me to read misinformation on such a good thing I wrote amongst less good things written by people who didn't read all of what I wrote.

EDIT 2: don't be a dick to people online, there's a difference between civil discourse and being a dick and you took the former and made it into the latter. Have a nice day Richard

EDIT3: ohh I get it now:

Regarding the subscription or consent choice I've read multiple times that it was ruled illegal. I'm confused why is still practiced.

Cough

No, it's not illegal.

Seems like you're making stuff up to match your broad views instead of checking or reading wherever. Which would be one thing if it's just for your own views, but you're unjustly propagating misinformation and system distrust.

Cough

I'm sorry you think this should be illegal, but enforcement actions have shown that it's a legal gray area 🤷‍♂️

Edit4: last one I promise and I'm gonna quote myself this time:

It probably is legal and if you follow the money I'm willing to be there is some lobbying form who argued to get a provision like this snuck into GDPR during some backroom deal.

It's not the same as a legislative backroom deal but I'm willing to bet backroom deals in the courts are why the GDPR provisions around a "Consent-Or-Pay" model are weaker now than what you would think would be legal under the GDPR.

Look if I'm wrong can you at least not flame me again in your response? I'm actually on your side in this fight against advertisers/tech and would very much appreciate a civil discourse with you on this. We aren't gonna beat them if we are too busy beating each other up.

Edit5: I lied, but this edit is to start civil discourse. I personally don't think the GDPR doesn't do enough case in point being this Consent-Or-Pay model. Regardless of how you personally feel about the GDPR there are provisions big tech lobbied to get in the GDPR, quiet erosion through enforcement actions, and now rollbacks while they are currently trying to gut it. The GDPR didn't do enough, we need something better, and it's Europe isn't enough we need more countries passing similar legislation with real teeth to it.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 17 hours ago

The GDPR is flagrantly disregarded constantly. It really needs more enforcement.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago
[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 26 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I wonder who they're going to sue to get out of this one.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago

Ellison is in the AIPAC club. He can have whatever he wants in the US.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

No one, they'll just have the government bail them out. They'll call their collapse a national security risk, threaten to sell their share of US Tiktok back to Bytedance, claim that they won't be able to protect the sensitive medical data of millions of Americans, etc. Whatever it takes to convince Trump that they're too big to fail.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

claim that they won’t be able to protect the sensitive medical data of millions of Americans

As an IT guy at a cerner hospital they can barely keep that shit running as is. Their cloud/ai services go down weekly, they managed to fuck up our HIE implementation at every turn, and it takes weeks for a Service Request to get traction, including followups and escalations...but if "support" attempts to call you their call centers are inherently flagged as spam.

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[–] foxylad@mastodon.nz 47 points 1 day ago (3 children)

@rimu Oracle is the thinnest patch of the #AI bubble's skin, and this is likely to be the pin that pops it.

Tears before bedtime.

[–] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Has the bubble popped now?

[–] Unsealed9041@lemmy.ca 17 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I hope Larry Ellison feels it, but he probably won't.

[–] mohammed_alibi@lemmy.world 9 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Hope he goes insolvent and State of Hawaii then takes Lanai back through eminent domain.

And also sell off his media empire.

[–] hume_lemmy@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago

I hope the orcas finally catch their white ~~whale~~male.

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