Oh nonononi've seen that Love, Death & Robots ep.
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"Detained because of flight risk"
Hes poor, he's homeless. Where the fuck is he going to go?
The woods.
It is unclear if Gatz was living in the national forest because he was experiencing homelessness.
...Yeah, I think we can safely assume that, yes.
In 2023, the National Homelessness Law Center called on the feds to stop arresting people for living on public lands and shift to a housing- and services-only approach, after undercover Forest Service and Bureau of Land Management police officers shot a disabled man in the back during a removal operation and left (him) paralyzed from the waist down.
He and his family had been living in the Payette National Forest near Boise, Idah, after their landlord reportedly evicted them from their home and they were unable to find space in area shelters.
Just a big reminder that we could end homelessness in America for about $20 billion per year.
That's about the same amount the federal government pays every year to give farmers super cheap crop insurance.
So, it's a choice we're making. Allowing homelessness, and abject poverty to exist, as a cudgel to those who would otherwise seek to drop out of the rat race.
$20B per year? That’s wild given that we have reportedly been spending $1B per day doing god knows what in this Iran war.
Got to have your priorities I suppose. /s
It's not the people's choice. It's the Epstein class that owns 93% of all the wealth in America
That’s about the same amount the federal government pays every year to give farmers super cheap crop insurance.
Or 1/15 of what we're paying Iran for "losing" the war.
I don't disagree with you that $20 billion is a drop in the federal bucket that would be returned tenfold in improved societal shifts and increases in economic output. I also don't love farm subsidies, but in terms of places to pull $20 billion from, I'd rather start with investments in foreign countries committing genocide and then work our way over to the military budget if that doesn't cover the entire bill.
I'm not saying that we should pull the money from crop insurance subsidies, just that we pay like $20 billion a year for a thing that most people have never heard about. We could similarly pay for this with as much gusto.
If billionaires and corporations payed taxes at the same rate we do, we’d be able to do all this.
Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope under that garbage.
27 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was.
But it turned out the judge had a seeing eye dog and it was another case of blind American justice. So we went back to the church and had a Thanksgiving dinner never to be forgotten.
It was a typical case of American Blind Justice and the judge wasnt gonna look at the 8x10 color glossy photographs
With the way shit is going, I don't blame the guy for wanting to live alone in the woods
My dream. Too bad we've effectively deforested any areas we could've Salinger awayed to
His residence was a giant pile of garbage. I mean, he's not like, 3M or Mr. Burns, but we I don't think we want people trash dumping in national parks. They're in enough danger as it is. If you move your campsite every 14 days and don't litter, you could live there indefinitely, it would seem.
This residence is a giant pile of garbage.
https://earthship.com/2020/03/30/sustainable-luxury-in-the-phoenix-earthship/
You're assuming he surrounded himself with piles of festering useless waste. More likely he had the stuff he cared about and the supplies he needed, and they just took everything and threw it away, cause that's what cops do to the homeless.
Nevermind, I read it.
I'm all for living in the woods, but this guy was definitely doing it wrong multiple ways
I do volunteer work for a couple homeless orgs in Canada and reading this story doesn't surprise me. he wasn't "doing it wrong" he was doing what was logical in his head. I see guys all the time carrying around bags or pushing a car literally filled with garbage. paper, cans, tim hortons cups, whatever. They pick it up, they keep it. It's a form of hording. It's not so much "I could potentially use this one day" its more like "I have nothing and having something makes me feel a bit more normal". It's 100% a mental illness and you always find it with older individuals. They carry around too much and the majority of which they don't need but they carry it because they need "something". They need some kind of possession. they just collect garbage.
I never thought about it in that way, but it certainly makes sense to try and get a bit of control and normalcy back.
I guess "1000lbs of trash" doesn't sound as bad as "half a ton"?
That's like, maybe 1-2 months of household, curbside waste for an average family. This dude was living there for 8 years.
If he was there for 8 years, that means he was paying taxes into the system for 40 years before he nope'd out and headed to the woods, which his taxes paid for.
And this is what he gets in return. Tsk tsk.
He'd accumulated this pile during 2 years at this site, so he's left similar messes in several other places. And he's got a long history of careless fires, like leaving them burning, even at the height of fire season. And he's got an SUV, so it's not like he couldn't have taken his trash out.
"The trash consisted of tires, plastic bags. trash bags, aluminum cans and other items of trash. I observed a canopy structure for his sport utility vehicle. The canopy structure was being utilized as a car port.”
Gatz, who is 65 years-old, according to public records, also had a fireplace with “active embers and a cooking station with 10-12 frying pans,” as well as “[d]ebris [that] consisted of three ladders, six to eight totes overfilled with debris… five black 55-gallon drums… eight tires, four bike frames, five gallons of motor oil, plywood, and other miscellaneous lumber around the campsite,”
That's not necessary stuff, it's a wildfire waiting to happen.
Actually, a lot of that sounds pretty practical.
The barrels would work as slow burn barrels for long term heat on cold nights, the bike parts could be a source of income (part bikes > full bikes to sell), more than 2 pans seems too many, but he may go through them fast if used over an open fire (depending on the type of pan), for millennia campers kept fires buring over night or for days to make cooking later easier (yes it's risky in some situations, but practical in general), and covering his car would ensure it looked cleaner and required lower maintenance (both have a lot of perks for a homeless person trying to live cheaply and fly under the radar). I'm not sure about the tires, but keeping cans and some other materials can def provide a source of income.
Nothing is ever really disposable, except the abusive people in your life. We could all benefit from less of those. Everything else is reusable or recyclable. Just listing this guys possessions without explanations for them makes them easy to dismiss as trash, but that isn't necessarily even close to honest. He likely had some actual waste on site from food prep or completed projects, but by no means was all his stuff trash.
Still a fire hazard. No open flames are supposed to be burning during high fire danger alerts and leaving an open fire burning unattended is taboo anytime, since we now have reliable means of starting a fire when needed. Climate change has made wildfires worse but even in the Old West they were a frequent cause of death.
Did you know that at the current rate of increase in homelessness, half the country will be homeless in ten years? The fastest growing demographics are people over 50, children without families and Latino/Hispanic populations.
Half the country is 115 million people. This is going to keep happening at a larger scale. Shelters are full.
On one small good, the fastest shrinking homeless populations are veterans and children with families
I guess “1000lbs of trash” doesn’t sound as bad as “half a ton”?
That’s like, maybe 1-2 months of household, curbside waste for an average family.
I'm sorry, WHAT?
What, you don't weigh all your trash in your trash scale at home? /s
More shocked at the amount of waste Americans generate.
Yeah it's fucking gross. We could literally just make a very few tweaks for everything to be more sustainable but that would piss off the rich fucks who benefit from the exploitation
Individually, the average American generated 4.9 pounds of waste per day in 2018
4.9 lb/day x 4 people x 30 days = 588 lbs, so really not that far off.
Man caught
Sounds like he wasn't doing anything wrong or harming anyone in any meaningful capacity.
Why not just let him live in peace?
But he didn't pay anyone anything!!! Lol
my retirement plan
At the current rate of increase in homelessness, it's going to be half the country's "retirement plan" in about ten years
True, let's hope the parks are still there
Well because Trump allowed even more trees to be clear cut from national forests, probably not
It is unclear if Gatz was living in the national forest because he was experiencing homelessness.
How the fuck is this "unclear"? Do they think this was just his daytime hangout location, and that he went "home" every night to sleep indoors? smh.