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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think this meme fundamentally misidentifies the problem. People keep attributing every societal issue to "capitalism," when many of the things they're describing have very little to do with capitalism itself.

To be clear, I have plenty of criticisms of capitalism as an economic philosophy. Left unchecked, it incentivizes wealth concentration, externalizes costs, and often places profit ahead of broader societal well-being. There are legitimate reasons to criticize capitalism, and I don't particularly admire many of its outcomes.

My issue is with the inconsistency in this meme. The behaviors it's describing, pathological greed, regulatory capture, monopolistic behavior, and the relentless pursuit of short-term shareholder profits, are better described as corporatocracy than capitalism itself. That's a system where large corporations wield enormous influence over government and markets, insulating themselves from competition and shaping policy to serve their own interests.

If you want to criticize corporatocracy, I'm right there with you. But treating every economic or social problem as though it's simply "capitalism" is an oversimplification. Distinctions matter, especially when you're trying to identify the actual root cause of a problem. If we're going to criticize a system, we should at least be criticizing the correct one.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Said it better than I could.

People are greedy; greedy for any resource they can control. Today it’s money. It could easily be something else.

“But they wouldn’t be allowed to!” They’re not allowed to do what they do now, but they force courts and opinions to work otherwise.

[–] Nukola@feddit.it 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

For anyone asking themselves how socialism might work with current technology:

https://alexeyminin.medium.com/building-socialism-2-0-c698b2db66c

[–] KernelTale@programming.dev 1 points 2 hours ago

I should have read the title and saved myself one paragraph

[–] PetoniousRex@lemmy.zip 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

We need to start teaching that you can't just throw capitalism under the buss. Unchecked capitalism, among other oppressors has lead to where we are. A fairly taxed and regulated capitalism combined with a solid and kind welfare system could be paradise. But eventually money and power will manipulate people. If not the ones who changed the system then the ones after. I would almost vote for a A.I. model of a senator who's only motovation is the actual bylaws of the constitution.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

I think as long as ppl can as individals buy massive superyachts we are fked and wont progress, only regress, the amount of toys, widespread power, and long term health you can buy with wealth only increases over time

[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 29 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I'm in the medical field, and the number of people who absolutely despise private insurance, but despise public Health systems even more, for no reason, is too damn high.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

...i always ask providers up-front what is my cost without using any insurance versus my out-of-pocket cost after insurance, and most of the time it's substantially cheaper not to use insurance at all even though it won't count toward my deductible...

...those private-industry middlemen are a huge burden on the healthcare system, and they persist only because their costs are hidden from patients...

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

It's awful. And until you hit maximum out of pocket, the insurance company may not be paying anyway.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They sound like my family. God forbid there be "socialized" healthcare that the "leeches" can benefit from, but also insurance sucks and doesn't pay for anything and whoops now we have medical debt.

They don't want their tax dollars to subsidize the care of anyone they think is less deserving than them, while they begrudgingly accept having to pay hundreds of dollars each month on an insurance plan that won't even cover the care they need.

And they want to see every change introduced by Obamacare undone, so, have fun going back to insurance plans that can deny you coverage just because you have a preexisting condition that they don't want to pay for.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Fun fact! The US is spending more on healthcare than it does on its military. By A LOT. The military gets around 4% of the federal budget, healthcare gets around 12%.

The US taxpayer pays MORE on healthcare in taxes than the the taxpayers in Switzerland or Norway!

Where does that money go, you ask? Why, to the pockets of the corpos owning private healthcare, of course!

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Yep. Republicans like my family are still so focused on the idea of "welfare queens" and illegal immigrants who are sucking up their hard-earned taxpayer dollars, while completely blind to the fact that they are spending thousands in taxes and insurance premiums enriching corporate middlemen who provide little to nothing in return. So who are the real leeches?

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

"They have us fighting a culture war so we don't fight a class war."

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago
[–] OpenPassageways@programming.dev 20 points 22 hours ago

It's even worse than that, they think the root cause is immigrants, minorities, and trans people.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Something most people miss is that the speed of change is a barrier.

You can do socialism fast or slow, the fast way is like a revolution, which most people don’t want since it sucks for the individual.

The slow way, which imo is the better way, is just doing policies that get you closer and closer to socialism within the capitalist framework.

The second way often means helping people who are less fortunate than the average person first, before getting to your average voter. That’s what individualistic societies can’t get past, they want their lives improved now. They fear they will vote for things that benefits poorer people and then the next government would come in before it’s their turn.

IMO the solution to this is obvious, focus on policies that literally benefit everyone. Don’t do select benefit programs, do problems that help everyone. UBI is a perfect example.

[–] r1veRRR@feddit.org 1 points 4 hours ago

That sounds very much like must online leftists. Every single thing that improves the world slightly is pushed against, simply because it doesn't solve every problem.

Of course, none of these people do anything for the Revolution they love so much. They're evangelical at this point. Where the Revolution is the second coming, requiring no actual work, just believing in it.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

policies cannot always benefit everyone. e.g. wealth tax won't benefit the wealthy, consumer protection won't benefit the corporates

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 11 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone except the wealthy.

Well public transport even helps the wealthy. It clears the roads for their cars

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

And moving to renewable energy sources will inevitably bring down costs and make it so if a tornado/hurricane/earthquake takes some power lines down a giant chunk of houses won't all lose power, many of those houses will be able to keep refrigerators and necessities up until backup power from the grid gets restored.

Half the oceans ships are moving fossil fuels from place to place, so you can cut that tenfold... Making cleaner healthier ecosystems in both cities/towns and for the earth in general.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And there’s the third method: subsume it from within. Build a capitalistic product that depreciates a category and eliminates demand, thus rendering entire industries and their related activities obsolete.

It’s why renewable energy is being fought tooth and nail.

Edit: and no, this is not my response to “fastest way to socialism”, this is more like “how to speed-run post-scarcity”

Just depreciate the worthless stuff. If the average person doesn’t need petroleum then that’s 1 less need they have to take care of. If electricity is so cheap from overproduction then it’s practically free.

And here’s where it gets controversial and I start getting downvotes on principle: AI is part of that.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think you recognize a fundamental problem and yet do not address it.

Superseding an entire industry consolidates the economic weight of that industry into a smaller, more captive market. A capitalist push towards post-scarcity won't work because the capitalists will always be motivated to implement artificial scarcity to protect their profits. Look at the current cost of computer hardware for one example.

A revolution of some sort would still be needed to truly make a post-scarcity economy, otherwise the fruits of those innovations will remain limited to the hands of the few.

[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Not if the push in question reassigns the value itself. And since we’re subsuming, I’ll base it off current fintech: imagine a blockchain but instead of smart contracts you do inference and buy tokens. That’s what upcoming tech is trying to work out the mechanics of.

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[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 166 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Capitalist: No no, what you really hate is socialism.

Citizen: Why do I hate socialism?

Capitalist: Because socialism causes [lists problems created by capitalism].

Citizen: Wow, I sure do hate socialism.

[–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 1 day ago (9 children)

But also,

Citizen 2: [lists actual socialist policies while avoiding certain key words]

Capitalists: I can get behind that.

[–] MrKoyun@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

[explains certain LGBT talking points while avoiding certain key words]

Homophobe: I can get behind that.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let me fix that for you,

Citizen 1: I can get behind that.

Capitalists: You shouldn't, that's communism! Think of all the money you have to waste when you get rich!

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And that's the core of it.

Every poor moron thinks that one day they will get rich and they don't want to ruin things for their future rich self. The don't actually DO anything to get rich, they don't have a plan, resources, much intelligence, they're not doing anything to improve their life, go to school, seek a better job, learn about finances. But one day, they'll be rich. They believe this until they get to about 50-60, their health issues start creeping up, then it starts to dawn on them that they're over the hill and have no real future beyond the current state of affairs--same life, but just older, sicker and weaker. THEN they sometimes wake up and see the bullshit, but it's too late.

Some of these people pick up a modest inheritance from their dead parents, but they usually piss it away in a few years, certainly aren't going to invest it, use it to build anything or have any expectation of creating generational wealth. They buy a big pickup truck and some assorted stupid shit, and it's wasted in a flash.

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago

Socialists are fans of socialism. Capitalists are persons who own capital, not fans of capitalism.

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[–] Seimhe@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

I would also argue that few people have made a very good case connecting peoples concerns to capitalism. So to many it has a Southpark-ish ring to it: capitalism is bad. Don’t do capitalism. It’s an abstract thing, and abstract opponents make people feel despair and impotence.

The most persuasive people I’ve seen don’t use that word often. They directly link peoples concerns to inequality (unfair taxation and employment laws), climate ( fossil fuel companies) and unregulated abusive businesses such as big tech.

Those are not faceless, abstract entities, so people can organise their (justified) anger better.

Has anybody else heard good approaches for helping people understand ?

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The most persuasive people I’ve seen don’t use that word often. They directly link peoples concerns to inequality (unfair taxation and employment laws), climate ( fossil fuel companies) and unregulated abusive businesses such as big tech.

This is the way. Lefty movements have rightly been criticized for being too academic. Expressing people's concerns in a more relatable and practical way gets more people on board.

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[–] SalamiDommie@lemmus.org 10 points 1 day ago

Weak twitter-bait.

People don't like any system, they don't like obvious corruption and being taken advantage of.

But the world is very comfortable right now. Wouldn't want to muck that up.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Everyone likes socialism, as long as it isn't called socialism. Two sides of the same coin. We've been duped.

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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The thing is most countries don't go around declaring themselves "we are a capitalist nation, we follow the capitalist ideology", so this seems pointlessly vague.

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