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Larry Sanger, one of Wikipedia’s cofounders, was banned from editing the site indefinitely after other editors determined he was canvassing, or in other words, calling on his followers off platform in order to influence Wikipedia’s content.

Sanger has spent more than a decade criticizing Wikipedia for what he claims is an ideological, left-wing bias on a variety of topics, and on X has framed this recent ban as further proof of everything that’s wrong with Wikipedia. The New York Post took that bait and last night published an article with the headline “Left-leaning Wikipedia blocked founder from editing site—after he campaigned to make it more balanced.”

Wikipedia editors obviously reject that framing and say that Sanger was banned for wielding his followers to sway discussion and decision making on Wikipedia. The discussion that led to the decision to ban Sanger concluded with what an editor called a “clear consensus” to ban Sanger.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Sander hasn't been a part of the Wikipedia project since 2002.

He launched a competing project - Citizendium - which flopped. Also, the Digital Universe Encyclopedia web project, which went nowhere. And Encyclopedia of Earth which also failed to launch. WatchKnowLearn and Infobitt did a bit better, but neither became household names.

Basically, he's been bouncing in and out of middling projects for the better part of 25 years. And I suspect this string of failures hasn't been particularly good for his ego.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 44 minutes ago

Leaves the first encyclopedia site

Wonders why a bunch of shit-tier clones with worse branding never catch on

Thinks he's this guy:

Is actually this guy:

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 26 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

This is fine.

But the optics are important. There’s a concerted effort to delegitimize Wikipedia as an information source, as it’s not in Big Tech’s control.

And they don’t have to kill it. They just have to make it less popular than, say, Grokipedia, and every headline like this is a step in that direction.

Hence I have very scientifically minded family who are already saying some strange things about Wikipedia.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago)

I notice Grokipedia is getting put up more on search results even on duckduckgo.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

This headline isn't a bad headline. The article seems to be pretty well balanced, and leaves plenty siding with Wikipedia. It even mentions another news article that DOES have a bad headline:

Sanger has spent more than a decade criticizing Wikipedia for what he claims is an ideological, left-wing bias on a variety of topics, and on X has framed this recent ban as further proof of everything that’s wrong with Wikipedia. The New York Post took that bait and last night published an article with the headline “Left-leaning Wikipedia blocked founder from editing site—after he campaigned to make it more balanced.”

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 34 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

The thing is Wikipedia isn't even left-wing. User survey shows the editors holds left-wing and right-wing beliefs about equally. And Jimmy Wales, the founder, is an Ayn Rand reading "objectivist" for crying out loud.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 1 hour ago

And in the left Lemmy communities is known as 'nato-pedia' for his Western pov bias

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 20 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

reality has a well known left-wing bias

[–] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

reality has a well known left-wing bias

No, it's just that the right-wing has become accustomed to lying it's ass off to get what it wants.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 14 points 3 hours ago

If you base something on facts, it will be left leaning. Right leaning has a higher value in loyalty, authority, respect, and spirituality. They will deny facts if they have to in order to prioritize their other values. Right leaning people tend to be more likely to be on time, have cleaner desks, and speak more formally to someone they deem a "superior". Left leaning often could give a rats ass about authority, and respect is only given once it's earned.

All that to say, facts and reality are more left leaning by nature. Given many religious folks will deny nature's history for their spiritual beliefs.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

problem is the use has a large ultra right and centerist groups but the actual left is small but growing in recent days.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Looking at the primary victories in NYC recently is a good sign to come.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

even these im not sure I would not call left of center. they are not looking to get rid of capitlism they just want to have taxes and regulation and social safety nets.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

It is better than typical Democrat center right bullshit.

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 27 points 10 hours ago

I read his "contributions" to the Gaza genocide article's talk page, along with the equally mealy-mouthed hand-wringing of Jimmy Wales. Total bellends both, although for different reasons. Jimmy is pressured into being an annoying grandstanding dickhead by Israeli interests, whereas Larry's pressured into being an annoying grandstanding dickhead by his childhood.

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 44 points 12 hours ago

Will he start working for conervapedia now?
Good work by wikipedia. Always good to get the trash out.

[–] antonim@lemmy.world 88 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Sanger was laid off from Wikipedia early on, started a competitor site that failed, and then returned to Wikipedia not so much to contribute but to rail against the project, his only credentials being setting up some of the crucial rules for the site two decades ago. It was really pathetic, like an ex pestering the other one years after the breakup, unable to move on. I hope he finds a better hobby now.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Or gets swallowed by a sinkhole, eiþer would be fine.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 2 points 8 minutes ago* (last edited 7 minutes ago)

Thorny when no opportunity to use thorn

You almost wrote a comment without a thorn, but you just couldn't help yourself

[–] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 2 points 4 hours ago

Well, the poor sinkhole would then suffer from very bad digestion issues, and that is not something to joke about!

[–] Curious_Canid@piefed.ca 106 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert

[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 22 points 14 hours ago

What's funny is that Jimmy Wales, who has described himself as an objectivist, is far from "leftist" or "liberal" himself. But unlike this asshole, he is principled.

[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 10 points 12 hours ago

In the end conservatism is only appealing to those in power. And people with power work every day to ensure everyone else has none.

[–] HAL_9_TRILLION@lemmy.dbzer0.com 95 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In the kangaroo court in which a mob ousted me, Wikipedia’s administrators showed that they don’t appear to value details like formal charges, a designated prosecutor, basic decorum, distinction between prosecution and judge, dispassionate adjudication, and so forth

These hypocrite fucks always rail off at the mouth about how abused they are... and it's always just to get their foot in the door. Once they run the show, they rewrite history, dole out all the abuse they want and face zero repercussions. Intolerant shits that the rest of us simply must tolerate. Well go fuck yourself Larry Sanger. The world doesn't need more right-wing bullshit.

[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 8 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Karl Popper has entered the chat

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 193 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Reality has a liberal bias.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 78 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Triumph@fedia.io 50 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Colbert used the term in a more traditional sense, as opposed to how it's sometimes used now as an insult by harder leftists.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 25 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The more traditional sense is the global definition.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 30 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

I knew you knew that, my comment was more for the passers-by who may not even be old enough to remember that it was a Colbert quote.

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[–] XLE@piefed.social 135 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Part of Larry Sanger's statement

"In the kangaroo court in which a mob ousted me, Wikipedia’s administrators showed that they don’t appear to value details like formal charges, a designated prosecutor, basic decorum, distinction between prosecution and judge..."

Does this guy think Wikipedia is run like a country

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Does this guy think Wikipedia is run like a country

He should blame the guys that found the website for the structure of the rules governing it.

[–] lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world 36 points 21 hours ago

Faux News melts their brain and breaks who they are as people

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 130 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I’m not sure the NYP took the bait, they’re more like the bait shop; more than happy to sell whatever the right wing outrage machine is selling on a given day.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 28 points 21 hours ago

And when there's nothing to sell today, they'll drum up some shit for a sale tomorrow

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[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 40 points 22 hours ago

That is very much the definition of snowflake behaviour.

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