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I wanted one, but not for this much. Glad I got the first gen steam deck when I could. Steam deck + dock is pretty much the same thing.
I'm also glad I got the first Gen SteamDeck for launch pricing but it's in just about zero ways the same as a Steam Machine, unless you just mean they're both PCs running SteamOS, as that's about all they have in common.
Same with legion go s, was great on sale for 400 (440 with tax), now its near 1000 retail, over with tax, great stable secondary computer
It’s funny to see that when the main console makers all raised their prices for the same reasons as this thing is expensive everyone was like “Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft are so greedy! They hate their consumers!”
And this thing being overpriced it’s “oh sweet baby angel Gabe, we know the hardships upon thee in thine many literal ships at sea. Please accept my money.”
I’m joking here so calm down Steam nerds.
But I do think some folks need to realize none of these companies want to jack up their prices like this. Everyone wants to make a profit, sure, but AI is screwing everyone.
Except steam doesn’t charge to play online, let you install mods, and doesn’t sell games from 2017 for 70€. Also, you can use this as a normal PC you're not locked in the seller's ecosystem, you can buy games from Epic, Gog, etc... or use it to make spreadsheats or code if you feel like it.
(edit cuz typo)
I've seen this sentiment (yours) in a number of threads about Steam Hardware prices but I never actually see the inverse. In the circles I move in everyone seems to understand what's going on broadly with chips. There is a pretty obvious correlation between the AI bubble and hardware prices and everyone has been drawing attention to it for months. Even in Nintendo spaces where hardly anyone cares about technical details and most would buy a cardboard box if it played Mario.
Here's a post about Nintendo raising the price of the Switch 2 by $50. People there are much less "chill" about that price versus this Steam Machine that is essentially a PS5 by all accounts on performance.
In this thread the people may not be AS mean as I was saying, there are people in there going "fuck Nintendo" as though Nintendo wants the bad press from raising prices.
And I'm not saying people should love Nintendo. I don't really care about that. It's just always funny to see the juxtaposition between these things. Lemmy is definitely a "I love Steam! It's my favorite place to license games and not really own them!" kind of community. I get it. But every one of these companies are getting screwed by the same political climate and hardware situations.
That post looks like it's mostly people who already hated Nintendo (i.e most of Lemmy) taking the opportunity to meme about it and make jokes rather than genuine criticism from the perspective of people who actually wanted to buy a Switch 2.
And that's kinda a big difference.
One genuine thing to remember though is Nintendo are making absolute bank on games, because every game on the system goes through them.
They can take a loss on the console and still make money later. That's not necessarily the case with the steam box.
There is a bit of a difference since Nintendo can theoretically afford to sell Switch 2 at a slight loss and get the difference back in subscription and store fees, but with steam machine it’s not possible, since if they sell it too cheap people will start buying it as office PCs or something
I think the reason the big 3 get more shit for is is because they did it in the past without the excuse of A.I. - mind you, exclusive titles and paid online services were the main game for them and many console manufacturers sold their consoles at a loss. I guess that the margins on games are too slim now for the gaming system vendors to continue with that model?
The price increases were also a function of tariffs and junk, too. Just a big double whammy.
I think it was MS last year who started off the price hikes. Then they did another this year.
Nintendo had tariff issues right when the Switch 2 was launching then finally upped prices in the last month or so, and Sony just in the last couple of months had to adjust prices, too.
I don't really think any of these companies raised console prices before the idiocy of the trump admin and the AI bubble, though. Not that I can recall at least.
Back when the Steam Machine was first announced, I liked the idea, but wanted something cheaper (I assumed $650 - $800) so I got a $375 off-brand mini gaming PC for the living room with a Ryzen 8745HS (780M iGPU, roughly 2x SD compared to 3x for SM), 512GB SSD and 16GB of DDR5.
The model I bought is not available now, but similar specs are going for close to $600, so the price is still roughly proportional. The machine I got cut every corner possible, and for example, I never could get Bluetooth to work reliably with my controllers and ended up getting $20 8bitdo dongles for each controller.
The SM, on the other hand, is a more refined hardware and OS combination where everything just works and that Valve stands behind, and where games will be tweaked and certified for that specific hardware. I am enjoying my mini PC, but I’ve put a lot of time into customizing and troubleshooting to end up with games that still stutter at 4K. For anyone who just wants to game instead of tinkering, SM is likely worth the current price.
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Fixed typo
8Bitdo dongles are the way regardless.
Damn. I can't imagine this is what they wanted to price it at, I'm very sad to say it is a competitive price in this insane market...
Just the RAM accounts for 250. This feels pretty close to "at cost"
i still added myself to the raffle queue. even thou the price is steep, I still see it as an option in the diy PC building landscape. it's a PC, free from the console ecosystem, I can install any os I want, games from my gog library, emulate freely, all in a tiny quiet box.
i think this price is not what they intended, and in the bigger picture valve is tiny compared to console manufacturers, they can't get deals in hardware like they can.
I also think valve could sell as option a version with no storage and memory, lower price, it would fit the diy/options community like a glove
Thats a good idea. Does the board take ddr4 ram?
No, it’s two DDR5 SODIMMs
Just compared the storage price jump to the current iPad Pro.
512gb to 2tb Steam Machine + £270 (£90 per 512gb) 512gb to 2tb iPad Pro + £800 (£267 per 512gb)
That's straight up robbery from Apple.
Their profits are enormous, this is why. People are wiling to pay because they have these luxary stores, luxary brand. Then they can charge much more. Its like a luxary clock.
I'm still tempted at this price. It's about the same as a similarly specced custom build but will have much lower running costs.
Ideally I'd just use Sunshine and Moonlight to play in my living room but the colours are always washed out whenever I try.
You try messing with HDR on the host computer? Could also try changing the codec.
Yeah I've tried all supported codecs and messed around with HDR too but it's always the same.
Funny, cause whilst its very pricey, i spent more than this on my phone. And most flagship phones cost about the lower end of this. But because i get my phone essentially interest free over a 4 year contract i somehow justify the cost without thinking too much about the fact that i spent 1500 quid on a small slab of glass and metal.
Maybe i need to rethink my grasp on the concept of money.
Maybe i need to rethink my grasp on the concept of money
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