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[–] Binturong@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 hour ago

yes... trying...

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 20 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

More accurate to say "several overlapping cabals trying to expand their own fifedoms"

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 minutes ago
[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Woah man. That's what conspiracy theorists argue.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 hours ago

Other talks include “Build-a-Cult,” moderated by the founder of the Christian networking site Pray.com

I mean, we all know what these people are about but I'm just taken back by the brazenness and openness of all of it.

This is basically "Yes, I made a cult to become a billionaire with a following, what about you?" and somehow nobody bats an eye? That is, of course, nobody that could do something about this.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Escape13@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

And compost them too!

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 4 points 2 hours ago

Having a lot of money doesn't make you immune to grifters, bullshit, facebook cooker theories or just plain going nuts.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

“As you are probably aware I represent the Rothschild’s” -Jeffery Epstein in email to Peter Thiel

[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

And yet when people tried to point this out earlier, they were called conspiracy theorists. There are false conspiracy theories and true conspiracy theories. That's just how theories work. The ones that espouse true theories are then denigrated for seeing things faster than you.

This is why labeling something a conspiracy theory is not a useful way to dismiss an idea. The dismissal is only right half the time. And the other half you are missing something important, or refusing to believe something without looking into it. Instead, more correct is to critically assess what is true and false and not what is a conspiracy theory and not a conspiracy theory. It's more work but it's also more correct.

Who prefers the term "conspiracy theory" to be a shortcut for claiming an idea is false? A: People involved in actual conspiracies.

Also, people who use that pattern to claim something is false just generally struggle with English. Conspiracy != Conspiracy theory != False. But a common trope of a useful idiot is to claim something is false because it's just a conspiracy. And a shocking number of people take that argument seriously. Despite the fact that this person can hardly differencial aspects in the English language, much less develop useful anticipation of how the powerful will strategize, or worse, comprehensively determine without evidence what is not possible there.

If you discuss an idea of what powerful people will do, you are technically engaging with conspiracy theory. And we can't be having any of that!

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Easy fix, just don't talk about what you know to random people. :)

It's like trying to sell icecream to people who hate icecream. Also, I certainly didnt learn about these things from someones comment on the internet. It was just watching world events like 9/11 and not being a complete moron believing the official story. :)

Then I got interested, found lots of good documentaries. YouTube used to be full of very good ones before they deleted them. I was very interested in that stuff.

Now the world is very different and people are seeing evil openly in the white house even. But it was very different back then.

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I almost wonder if Rogan is a useful idiot, if someone running his show is the elite crazy or at least wannabe elite.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 hours ago

No need to wonder, it's been obvious for years now.

Being a useful idiot doesn't require the person being aware of their idiotic usefulness. Usually they aren't.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago

I think Rogan believes he's in charge though. He talks like he's making his own decisions.

Undoubtedly he's being manipulated but yeah at the very least he's a useful idiot.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Yes, and that someone is largely believed to be Thiel.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 24 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

How many of them have been on Rogan?'

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Who hasn't? Simpler that way. Someone showed up with money at Joe's, 2012 if I had to bet.

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 79 points 10 hours ago (5 children)

This is the reason why I always get way to mad at conspiracy theorists. You don't have to make up some shadowy cabal or the jews, be mad at the wealthy oligarchs.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago

Thats level one feury. Level 2 is when they tell you a well known asshole billionaire is going to fight the shadow cabal for us.

[–] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 34 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

One theory I heard: Crazy conspiracy theories were created by the government to make legitimate conspiracy theories look ridiculous by association. "Oh, you think there's an island of pedophile billionaires running the world? I bet you also think the moon landing was fake." A classic "the butts match" gambit.

[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

smoke screen

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 hours ago

Which is why Alex Jones was a CIA asset whether he knew it or not

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I don't think it is planed like the conspiracy theories are created but ampliefed to distroy the public trust and muddy the waters, I don't think that is too far fetched.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You know them, you know their names, net worth ranked etc.

Among other things they were high on ket and thought they can teabag democracy in the face because everyone is so dumb.

They have shits for brains now that betray the game blatantly.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

“As you probably know I represent the Rothschild’s” -Jeffery Epstein in email to Peter Thiel.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago

That's redundant. Sociopathic Oligarch is better. Wait, that's redundant, too...

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

A family of old money wealthy oligarchs who founded the state of Israel and set up Epstein to blackmail politicians in the west to continue to fund their genocidal state at their citizens behest. A little more complicated when you add generations of oligarchs with nefarious agendas. Even if the problem boils down to that these oligarchs have millions brainwashed to defend them and their agenda through tribalism and media propaganda. I agree that most of the world’s problems have boiled down to the wealthy but that is an oversimplification when you don’t factor in the “conspiracy” meaning the nefarious plots to maintain and grow their power and the control they hold over our “democracies”.

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 0 points 33 minutes ago (1 children)

Those damn jews, right? If somebody would just do something about them. /s
Please cut that bullshit of these shadowy dark figures in the background. There are real people like Elon Musk from whom we know what he does and influences with his wealth.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world -1 points 30 minutes ago

Nice try Mossad.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What's the point of all that money if you have to use so much of it to manipulate the world so they won't murder you and your entire bloodline?

Just get moderately wealthy, and and have a nice life, with nobody gunning for you. Is the bigger mansion or bigger yacht really that much better?

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

They’re mentally ill

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Can you just fuck off with the anti-semitism? Dog whistles and all? Thx.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world -3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

What?!? Nothing I said wasn’t factual. Also, the Palestinian’s are the semetic people not some white guy from jersey.

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 12 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Shadow cabal and oligarchy aren't mutually exclusive. Seems to me the oligarchs are just the more obvious nodes of the shadow cabal web, the fuckers with the money and power that can go on TV and talk directly to senators.

Go one step back away from the limelight and you get dudes like Cheney, Bannon, people who interact with all the obvious oligarchs but don't need to post on social media and don't need to stay relevant to constituents. And then people like Epstein, agents in the field gathering blackmail.

Shit is pretty fucking crazy tbh.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 127 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I think it's important to understand, these people believe that they already control the world. From their perspective, they aren't "trying", they're doing. And they believe they have the right to do so. They believe that having wealth makes them more important and more capable than everyone else, even though the reality is often that having wealth separates them from having to actually do anything for themselves, making them less capable and less experienced than everyone else.

The rest of us, our needs, our concerns, our desires, our lives... none of that matters to them, except when it either enables or impedes getting what they want.

The only thing preventing the entire world from being stuck in complete, abject despotism is that these people are often at each other's throats. When they collude, everything they touch turns to garbage.

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine fighting a long war where one side knows they are fighting the war, and a vast majority of the other side thinks they are trying to help them.

There's no war other than class war. We've been fighting it for centuries. Remember that.

Right but there are people amongst us poor who threw their lot in with the wealthy years ago. They're as much the enemy because they would fight on the side of wealth.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

i think the oligarchs do defacto control a significant chunk of the world and they are trying to exercise that control to enact their deranged ai-hallucination-like version of reality that their confirmation broken brains think should be done

thankfully they do not share these visions with eachother commonly and nation states are slowly making laws to prevent them abusing the global financial system

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago

Being insulated from reality and surrounded by sycophants causes literal brain damage.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 20 points 11 hours ago

The only thing preventing the entire world from being stuck in complete, abject despotism is that these people are often at each other's throats. When they collude, everything they touch turns to garbage.

That's the hope. I'm sure there are a handful of billionaires who are decent enough people, tech co-founders who didn't get all weird about the tech money. But the other 98% are legit sociopaths. They can't co-exist for long, they're all secretly undercutting each other. It's in their nature.

One possible future is letting the dragons fight it out, and picking off the stragglers. Fingers crossed 🤞

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 13 points 9 hours ago

There Really ARE Cabals of Elite Crazies Trying to Control the World
It's more than this one.

[–] MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 43 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Why yes they’re called ‘billionaires’ and there’s like 3.5 thousand of them.

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[–] Shameless@lemmy.world 25 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Whilst this was always obvious and is not at all surprising, it's definitely worth reviewing the list which someone took the time to compile: https://github.com/nzaki-dev/dialog

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Cory Booker, Ezra Klein, and Reid Hoffman aren’t people I generally consider evil. I wonder if we can get them to say something about this whole affair and what goes on there.

[–] mig@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Holy shitballs.

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