Can't read the screenshots due to being on mobile, but claiming moron is an ableist slur feels like a huge stretch to me.
Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
Posting Guidelines
All posts should follow this basic structure:
- Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
- What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
- Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
- Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
- Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.
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- Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.
- Don’t use private communications to prove your point. We can’t verify them and they can be faked easily.
- Don’t deobfuscate mod names from the modlog with admin powers.
- Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
- Do not downvote posts if you think they deserved it. Use the comment votes (see below) for that.
- You can post about power trippin’ in any social media, not just lemmy. Feel free to post about reddit or a forum etc.
- If you are the accused PTB, while you are welcome to respond, please do so within the relevant post.
- Keep the comments in YPTB posts about the moderation action itself, not about the general topic in which the moderation took place.
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
- PTB - Power-Tripping Bastard: The commenter agrees with you this was a PTB mod.
- YDI - You Deserved It: The commenter thinks you deserved that mod action.
- YDM new - You Deserved More: The commenter thinks you got off too lightly.
- BPR - Bait-Provoked Reaction: That mod probably overreacted in charged situation, or due to being baited.
- CLM - Clueless Mod: The mod probably just doesn't understand how their software works.
Relevant comms
For context, until the 1960s, the terms moron, idiot, cretin, and imbecilewere all genuine, non-offensive terms used, including by psychiatrists, to refer to people with mental/intellectual disabilities and low intelligence. These words were discontinued in that form when concerns arose that they had developed negative meanings, with "retard" and "retarded" replacing them.
Welcome to the euphemism treadmill
I'm aware. I've even posted articles on that topic before. But current day usage of those terms generally no longer refers to mental issues, the horse has definitely left the barn on that issue.
Uh huh. So how long before you deem retard acceptable?
There are people still alive who were diagnosed with those terms and who undoubtedly had them used as ableist slurs against them.
Once you’re on the treadmill there’s no hopping off
And I’m not perfect. I’ve used moron as an insult occasionally
Alright.
This is definitely PTB. PJ broke his own rules. You can't do that as a mod, period. Doesn't matter what the provocation is.
Mind you, you were a smug jerk as well (edit: and I mean that both of you were being smug jerks), so the only reason it's PTB is that he crossed the line. I might have temp banned your ass a few exchanges previous at the most. Probably, I would have just reminded you to chill the fuck out and disengaged, but I dunno, I can be a hotheaded asshole sometimes.
If it had been temporary, I'd have gone with an ESH since both of you were slap fighting instead of talking, but that's not what happened.
Agreed. OP's comments have that vibe. I would have just not replied to them, even as a mod.
Fair take.
I'm going to weigh in that this is a case of PTB even if, as some others you could have been more graceful. The role of a moderator is primarily to prevent things from spinning out of control like they did here.
That particular mod left his old home instance after realizing it had some problems, and was acting better for a while, but has been returning to many of his old ways. In particular:
- He has been getting less and less respectful and inclusive
- He has not been open minded, which is required for a learning environment
- He has a eurocentric perspective on genocide and atrocity that ignores that even though pre-colonial societies were not perfect, the current state of the world is a very direct result of an attitude that any one society is more advanced/developed than the others they encounter
This is how pj has always been though? And for leaving it didn't seem like it wad from issues as much as pj wanted to own the tankie devs by moving to software done exponentially even worse people
So you were banned by pugjesus because they got high off their own supply again.
First time, I take it?
I’m a repeat customer haha
So you kinda went in there hoping for drama then. As much as I think PugJesus is a fool, dude, you were baiting.
The "power tripping mod" problem here on lemmy is turning out to be even more pervasive, and perhaps more fundamental, than it ever was on reddit.
PugJesus
He's a cunt, so there's no surprises here.
Pugjesus is the worst kind of sancitmonius neckbeared power tripping taint sniffing reddit mod
PTB.
I don't know who's in the right history-wise, and I appreciate pugjesus' posts and explanations.
But in this case it feels to me like it was just an interesting argument until he decided to call you a dipshit and a moron (and then ban you). Smh.
This probably isn't the community for it but as I was banned for 'conspiracy theories' I figure its relevant.
The US has been quite open about its involvement in Libya and there are plenty of sources on this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_involvement_in_the_2011_Libyan_Civil_War
https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/IF/PDF/IF11556/IF11556.33.pdf
Over a decade after a 2011 uprising and U.S.-backed military intervention that toppled longtime authoritarian leader Muammar al Gadhafi
Congress has conditionally appropriated funding for transition support, stabilization, security assistance, and humanitarian programs for Libya since 2011
The idea it could be a conspiracy theory that the US backed rebels against Gadhafi is beyond ridiculous, it was public, acknlowedged at all levels of the US government and is a matter of factual record that assistance including military and humanitarian spending. These actions were undertaken largely under the umbrella of a NATO intervention.
Stating the fact that this happened isn't condeming or condoning (though ousting Gadhafi was good, the fallout and subsequent rise of ISIS in the region was horrific) it is literally just the recognition of events as they happened.
https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/operations-and-missions/nato-and-libya-february-october-2011
The start of the revolt was genuine but there is not a single doubt that the US was involved in destroying Libya. France was even more involved, it was france who brought the idea in UN to be involved under pretext of protecting civilians . Still this is a PTB
Keep the comments in YPTB posts about the moderation action itself, not about the general topic in which the moderation took place.
Thought you might appreciate this quote from this comm's rules since you're so outspoken about following them.
This probably isn’t the community for it but as I was banned for ‘conspiracy theories’ I figure its relevant.
Right at the top of the post buddy. Going to follow the rules yet?
That's not how rules work
It is relevant to directly refuting the reason for the ban as stated in the mod log.
Got any more bangers there champ?
My bad, I could have sworn your comment was
about the general topic in which the moderation took place
and not
about the moderation action itself
One of the most unhinged, incendiary and often super wrong people on here. They're practically a mascot for bad mods, a leech that clung to the foot of a reddit exodus.
Good on you for trying to bring respectful discussion into their com, but you might as well have been delivering top sirloin to a seagull.
PTB for sure
PTB at all times. You did nothing wrong.
Arguably he also breached instance rule 1 against ableist conduct and use of slurs as the history of the word moron is quite troubled
The fact that you've been throwing around that very same word makes me think you're simply looking for drama.
It sure is! Glad you caught that but it’s a little out of context because Pug has previously banned me for using a synonym of moron while he often uses this language in subs he moderates.
Just a call back to another account and ban really.
Cool, what about this one?
Yeah me again, my issue isn’t with the word but Pug’s extremely biased moderation.
Now if you’d weigh in according to sub rules that’d be great
Nah, I'm fine with the initial position of your goalposts.
