cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/47196845
I still can't get past my coworker who hates immigrants because (according to her) they're unvaccinated and spread disease. And she's also antivax.
this post was submitted on 22 May 2026
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My coworker immigrated. Got his citizenship, now complains immigrants are the problem. SMH
Does she not see that contradiction?
Because like most of them, when someone else does it its lazy/evil/malicious, but when they do it there's always some justifiable reason.
Just like a right-winger coworker of mine. She won't stop talking shit about how she couldn't trust her ex because he cheated on her. Meanwhile she's cheated on every single bf she's ever had. And her current husband
Heck, most of them don't know anything about anything and are just repeating talking points. I had a super conservative coworker go on a rant once which happened to be 100% false. It was so wrong that had they written it down they would most definitely have used the wrong your/you're.
Logic just doesn't work on her. That's a big part of what makes trumpers ... special.
Sounds like her issue is their otherness, not their medical history.
Racists and xenophobes are capable of believing some really stupid, easily disproven shit.
Something something litter boxes in schools and your grandkids are coming home with secret forced gender transition surgeries done in one day by underpaid public servants!
The landscaping company my HOA contracts with is having trouble finding people to do the work, after, of course, many of their employees were rounded up.
My idiot neighbors are whining about how their yards look like shit, because the landscapers aren't coming around once a week, like they used to. The same idiot neighbors who urge everyone to "vote red" and are absolutely certain that only "illegal" immigrants are being "deported".
There's a sketch in Family Guy where Abe Lincoln confronts his neighbor about his un-mowed yard and the neighbor says "yeah, I used to have a guy for that".
Probably thought landscapers were a part of nature. Like landscapers are deer but instead of walking through yards to eat berries they cut hedges into clean shapes
The premise of MAGA was always that we'd have a permanent impoverished servant class. But the message got distorted as it moved from the middle class liberal PMC to the lower class industrial/service sector serf.
Turns out "Every Home A Castle, Every Man A King" doesn't play out in practice so well.
This is also why they gleefully shipped all the manufacturing jobs/skills and tech to other countries (mostly China).
They’re unbelievably giddy you think China did something wrong in accepting all this work and then building a country that is lifting more and more of its billion+ people out of poverty.
No, China did what we should have done and should have been doing the whole time; but we did the opposite and you blamed the Chinese instead of the wealthy industrialists who sent the jobs there. You wept and cried over China’s one-party offering no freedom “like we have here” except here they took away our protections, our rights, and gave all the military spending money to defense contractors who designed more and more outrageously complex systems that take forever to build, cost more than a billion dollars each, and then apparently can just be taken out.
We’re not safe anymore, we’re not rich anymore, we’re not asked for help anymore, we’re not smart anymore, we’re not comfortable anymore, we’re all struggling to make ends meet even if we have good income, all the water is dirty, all the roads are failing…but at least we still got football and Jesus right?
Everything is Nazis and gambling now.
Why is it always Nazis and gambling? Why can't it be hookers and blow?
Indeed, everything for the shareholders and the MAGA fucknuts still fail to realize how the US job market works.
If maga could read above a 5th grade level they'd be very upset
My response to this is always: if a homeless person with no money or credentials wearing their only set of clothes with no friends or connections unable to speak the local language and requiring the boss to risk legal fines asks for a job and the boss chooses them over you.. What does that say about you?
What does that say about you?
I mean... not much? Everything you listed except for the part about the employer risking fines is a positive to the capitalist. And the fines are just a cost of doing business.
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The "no friends or connections" comment isn't true because they have a network already setup and if they aren't interacting with the customer directly then why would they need to speak the local language?
I don't blame the immigrants for their goals of a better life, it's logical to take advantage of the situation. It's also logical for the employer to take advantage of cheap labor. It's also logical for me to offer something that the immigrants can't to keep myself employed if I working the same field.
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Immigrants started SO many small businesses too btw.
I just saw a video lat night of some Jan 6 dork dressed in full military cosplay, literally saying he was afraid of the 8 year old brown children replacing him 🤦♂️
They are such losers
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Whose mad? My mad?
This isn't all that true. For many blue collar jobs, at least.
It's very hard to be a roofing company and stay in business without using immigrants in many area, for example. No one in the US will work for less money than the immigrants who are mostly sending money back down to Mexico. Everyone wants to pay as low a price that they can for their roof job. Not using immigrants means you have to charge a higher price. That loses you work because you're constantly underbid. You either use immigrants, or you struggle to keep the business and employees going.
I worked blue collar for quite a few years around new construction homes. I've literally watched this go down and making an Office meme doesn't make it less true. In a perfect world it wouldn't happen and no one would hire immigrants and pay them less money, but we don't live in that world, so once a few people start doing it the option often becomes "Do it as well, or go out of business"
You're not wrong, but what you described is only a problem because even if you don't abuse paperless immigrants and pay them below minimum wage, your competition will.
The solution isn't to let everyone do this, it's to stop everyone from doing it.
I agree. If companies had their license to operate removed for doing it, the problem would solve itself. Be shut down if you get caught.
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YES, it is all about regaining the narrative. We need culture, we need community.
The MAGAs are not the enemy, they are the victims of this unscrupulous machinery of brainwashing the Zuck, Murdoch, Musk...
They MAGAs are the weak, the susceptible too influence, and we have to reach to them, break this fabric.
The revolution is in our hands, we 'just' need to find the message.
I wish I could get on board with this initiative. I used to believe that to be MAGA, you had to be either incredibly cruel, or unfathomably stupid.
As things have developed, I was dismayed to realize: You have to be both.
They are the weakest and loneliest among us, hence why they are so susceptible to even the dumbest of narratives. If it weren't for their hatred I'd feel pity for them. But what you're suggesting is no small feat, we would be up against literal decades of brainwashing.
Something I've noticed is that whenever a maga says their political take, simply asking them for details sends them into a rage, cuz they don't know any lol. Watch some Isaiah Thomas clips, the man has the patience of god. Maybe there's something in that we could use?
The more I see of the world, on a macro and micro level, the more I believe that the generational task young people will face is stepping into a dying world, the effects of which they did not cause, and be the ones to deal with every mess the boomers are leaving behind. And the only way they succeed in that, is together. And of course the world is seemingly as divided as ever right now.
What do you think?
Ordinary everyday people should not be the enemy but it's easier said than done when they take that digitally curated world view and verbally / physically abuse other people or join ICE. We really should see them in part as addicts hooked on digital crack but even if we accept that the rehabilitation process is not going to be easy.
How do you break a narrative machine that comes as close to being zapped directly into peoples minds as possible? Without control of the algorithm, it's going to be increasingly difficult to challenge their divisive narratives. It may have to come to people wanting to get away from social media and that's also becoming increasingly difficult now that it's been so heavily and effectively monetized.
Not trying to say there's no hope but it's an uphill battle to say the least.
Thank you, yes your words describe it nicely.
The solution is simple but not easy, it is culture.
Culture as the zeitgeist and the common grounds of society. As the shared values of the community.
How do you penetrate these mediatic walls that the dominant class has created.
Creating music that reaches all ears, visuals that are shared against the algorithm, messages that are clear and understandable for all.
And for this messages, platforms out of the control of the capital, media from the community.
YES, this is very difficult but this is the path. And it is not impossible because humans crave humanity and the X platforms will die because they are a soulless corporate machinery.
And also, you know, consumers create jobs by their very existence so the whole idea is economically nonsensical.
no immigrant has taken your job
In fairness, the more common modern practice is outsourcing. Send the Capital to the large labor pool, rather than sending labor to existing capital stock.
Counterpoint: Elon Musk is an immigrant and took my wife's job via his department of bullshi embezzlement.
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