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In the latest episode of "they will always sell you out" - they sold you out! Who would've thought.

Hoping for a good alternative client to appear, the writing is on the wall. Vaultwarden can't exist without "leeching" off of Bitwarden.

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[–] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 249 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Jesus, I'm tired of switching password managers.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 75 points 1 month ago (14 children)

KeePassXC + KeePassDX is probably the best option, with the downside of no way to sync easily (syncthing is probably the best option there)

I might switch back at some point, been getting frustrated with the bitwarden extension performance always being so poor.

[–] german@pawb.social 15 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Merge conflicts are a concern for KeePass, especially for those that don’t want to resolve them. Sync is difficult. AFAIK this is a very common issue with Syncthing setups.

Also, the portability from Bitwarden to KP leaves a bit to be desired, though that’s probably 90% on BW.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My first password manager was KeePassXC.

Hooked it up with Syncthing, and I've never had issues aside from the occasion database duplicate.

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[–] slate@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 month ago (38 children)

KeePass isn't going anywhere. They're also dragging their feet on passkey support, so you might go with KeepassXC.

[–] zeitverschreib@freundica.de 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

@slate

Wasn't there some commotion a few weeks about KeepassXC and vibe coding?

@RonnyZittledong

[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Yeah, there was. It was forked because of that, actually: https://codeberg.org/ChiPass

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[–] blackbrook@mander.xyz 10 points 1 month ago

Their AI policy looks very reasonable, and they certainly aren't vibe coding. Everything is rigorously reviewed and tested by a handful of experienced, competent humans.

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[–] Shortstack@reddthat.com 103 points 1 month ago

That’s troubling, I don’t like what this portends.

The new CEOs background especially suggests they’re spiffing up the company for a later sellout, why else would they pick a merger specialist for the role?

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 79 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I think the original title was more helpful because it shows that this is a recent development. Maybe you can add "new CEO"?

Bitwarden scrubs ‘Always free’ and ‘Inclusion’ values from its website as longtime execs step down

In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working with leading private equity firms.

CFO Stephen Morrison also left Bitwarden in April, replaced by former InVision CEO Michael Shenkman. Both Crandell and Morrison joined the company in 2019. Kyle Spearrin, who started Bitwarden as a fun hobby project in 2015, remains the company’s CTO.

[–] german@pawb.social 11 points 1 month ago

You're right, changed

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 58 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah shit. Here we go again!

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Can anyone say “Enshittification”!

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 19 points 1 month ago

Enshitification coming right up!

[–] evil_andy@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 month ago

Well, poop.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is why corporate promises can never be trusted, because a new CEO can change those promises on a whim.

It's part of why despite being interested in Beeper, I never signed up for it because I had questions about if those privacy promises they made would be kept if they sold to a bigger company... which they eventually did.

On the plus side Bitwarden already made an official open source self-hosted version, which can be forked and/or return to the community developed Vaultwarden roots.

Meanwhile KeepassXC keeps on chugging along.

[–] northernlights@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago (10 children)

FYI beeper is really just matrix with bridges. Once I realized that I set up my own and now I have the same functionalities as beeper, self hosted, with a choice of clients.

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[–] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 41 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Has Vaultwarden said anything yet? I imagine that, if necessary, given that bitwarden's client is still open, at the point they choose to try and close it, we, the users, can fork it and establish it for vaultwarden, correct? Or, maybe even the vaultwarden team will think about forking it themselves and making a light client as well to pair with the current server.

But Vaultwarden can exist without "leeching" they just haven't needed to yet. That's more symbiotic than parasitic. The parasite class just took over Bitwarden after all.

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[–] sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They responded on reddit and walked some of it back as an "oversight": https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwarden/comments/1tdvnh7/comment/olznwcv/. Allegedly, I'm too lazy to verify.

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A change that would require intent to make is not a mistake or oversight.

This sucks. I committed to Bitwarden years ago and now am going to have to switch before they lock me in the garden.

[–] german@pawb.social 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They also haven’t addressed the removal of inclusion and transparency from their goals.

EDIT: They did. They said it’s “less of a priority”. The article I shared has been updated. I smell corporate bullshit though. “Oversight” this, “priority shift” that, they’d have to work hard to gain any trust back.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 month ago

All hail the new Chief Enshittification Officer!

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago

Goddammit. Why can't we have nice things?

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My solution:

https://keepass.info/donate.html

(& yes, I'm linking to their donate page first)

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Keep ass what though? /s

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)
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[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Move to KeePassXC or its recent LLM-free fork while you still can, because at some point Bitwarden is going to try to go closed-source again.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh crap, how's KeePass got an LLM involved‽ Time to look into this now...

I did find https://codeberg.org/ChiPass/ChiPass , but it looks like a very new project.

[–] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

...actually seems quite reasonable.

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[–] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For once ADHD preventing me from completing a migration is a boon, I guess I'll move back to keepass

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[–] Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Clue me in on why vaultwarden can’t exist without it?

[–] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It can, but vaultwarden, as it currently is, is an implementation of the server only. So if bitwarden decides to go closed source all the way, they'd haver to start either creating their own clients or fork the current bitwarden clients.

[–] scott@lem.free.as 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's fine. We just treat it as a fork from this point onwards.

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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm going to have to just write my own one of these fucking things aren't I?

[–] BritishJ@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

KeePassXC and Vaultwarden exist

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[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago

Sad. Replaced everything with keepassxc + syncthing

[–] palmtrees2309@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] auntieclokwise@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

No, KeePass. Fully open source, no cloud involved in any way, unless you want something to sync your data (the server only ever sees your encrypted database - all encryption and decryption is done locally). You can also host your own sync server using any of a variety of different protocols.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Once again, enshittification by the fucking suits.

Early on I decided to use only KeePass for full personal control instead of an online service. Didn't regret making that decision.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 11 points 1 month ago

Hoping for another Moonlight/Sunshine moment! Already running Vaultwarden, rbw, and Keyguard. Just need a simple FOSS browser extension for autofill and editing entries.

For context, Moonlight was created first as a FOSS Nvidea gamestream client. Then Sunshine was created as a FOSS server implementation. Later, Nvidia dropped "official" support, now the two projects are a FOSS stack built atop a formerly proprietary protocol.

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