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Everybody has opinions.
Some people confuse being strongly and loudly opinionate about many things with intellectual capability.
Personally I think it's the oposite: you have to be really dumb to believe anybody could possibly trully understand most things and, worse, to think you yourself are such a person.
More accurately...
Who wants to claim to be a superior intellectual?
Who is capable of explaining their opinions beyond repeating the same talking points they'be been fed?
How to tell you're dealing with #1 and not #2? Once they've exhausted their shallow pool of talking points their next steps are...
Completely switch topics
Attack your character
Try to fight you
Use the phrases "do your own research" or "I'm just asking questions"
Really hate it when people ask questions, eh? Ngl, kinda ableist to bring "capability" into it, you utter buffoon. Bike racks. Noon.
"Just asking questions" had become the go-to response for people who are being utter dicks about something until they're proven wrong or someone stands up to em.
It's like the mild equivalent of someone saying "it's just a prank bro"
Honestly, it’s exhausting on the ego, though, because I constantly question myself and I’m aware of how much I don’t know. From the outside, that does make me seem deficient.
I think that’s partly why the debate bro energy caught on, you don’t actually need to know anything. You just need to project strength.
The irony is that real knowledge feeds more doubt, not less. The more you learn, the more you see the edges of your own ignorance.
I chose my username because when I was young I desperately wanted to be the smartest person in the room. While I did devour knowledge (encyclopedias were bedtime reading; thank you, undiagnosed autism), I was stubborn, overly certain of myself, and far less self-aware than I believed.
Getting older humbled me. I began to see how small and defensive my certainty really was, and I made a conscious effort to grow beyond it. Real knowledge, as you said, breeds doubt rather than arrogance. Learning to be more intellectual is learning to live comfortably beside what we do not know, to accept being wrong as an invitation to learn, and to not take criticism personally.
I am still working on that last one. Criticism is easier to learn from when it is not passive-aggressive, but that seems to be most people's preferred communication style.
I do think learning to use people's attacks against you as an opportunity to reflect on any possible real flaws they've picked up on is a valuable skill. Someone can be a dick to you while still having a different perspective you can wring learning from given enough effort.
Full agreement. I think another reason the debate bro caught on was that it makes for better content, even before the modern content economy.
Back in the day when the archetypal internet debates were atheists and science educators vs creationists, you could see it just as effectively. Nobody wanted to watch someone on their side go in with an open mind, open to being convinced and for both sides to come to a position entirely based on the evidence. Hell, I still don't like that because one side has reproducible evidence and the other failed to indoctrinate me as a teenager.
A lot of modern bad faith debate tactics come back to creationists, with the infamous Gish gallop named after a creationist. And from there the opposition had to learn to play the game. Debate, not as a neutral shared pursuit of truth, the clash of thesis, antithesis, and evidence to distill an agreeable and defensible synthesis, but rather as a verbal gladiatorial contest.
The pro evolution side split with the death of new atheism, they're on all sides now. A lot of the more committed debaters went right for varied reasons, and we wound up in a position where we needed stuff like the alt right playbook to teach how to argue against the dishonest.
And on the other side of the equation you have the internet rationalist movement, who are infamously bad at the "this sounds like bullshit" test among other flaws. They strive to accept any debate with an open mind, and find themselves a good example of why you need to keep some biases that while you're open to changing, you're gonna need strong evidence for.
Congratulations on passing the summit of the Dunning-Krueger arc! Now everything comes with a fun little shadow of doubt! Say goodbye to absolute certainty!
Pane two is why an ml mod banned me for 14 days yesterday lmao
No to the first, yes to the following three.
The biggest offenders are pseudo-intellectuals ie objectivists and other conservatives who simultaneously villainize academia and claim an unfounded monopoly on rationalism and logic.
I changed my mind on something a month ago that I would get lynched for on here if I shared it.
AI-related?
So mysterious.
Please share so we can lynch you. Was it linux related?
Not falling for that again /s
So you finally admit it? I fucking knew you were lying.
The last part is not an intellectual, the last part is just depression nowadays.
I'm ok with being wrong and revising my knowledge. I'm not ok with trying to talk to someone that refuses to admit when they're wrong even when they're presented with clear evidence of the fact.
I'm tired of people who are clever with regard to one thing thinking that they're right about everything
You're not a genius, you're autistic, and your one niche subject of interest isn't actually making the world a better place
specialization =/= autism
intelligence ~/~ (does not have a definite relationship to) autism
This made sense until the insinuation that intelligence and autism are mutually exclusive
I freaking love being wrong, mostly because most of the things I predict are bad/stupid things and heyyy look at that, everything is going to shit just like I thought it would. I would LOVE for something to surprise me.
Being wrong is always interesting to me because I get to learn the actual truth next.
Being a pessimist is great because you're either right or pleasantly surprised.
I have predicted pretty everything that has happened since 9/11
I hate being right about things that are so fucked
I've been right about the good things too, but unfortunately they're less frequent than the shitty stuff at the moment
And by "moment", I mean last 25 bloody years...
I've been told for years I'm overreacting about international politics, Fascism spreading in USA, Climate change, and lately, Fascism spreading in Europe.
I am so fucking sick of being right all the time, but I just can't stop. Everything keeps getting worse. It's like we've all adopted Russia's political roadmap: "Everything fucking sucked, and then it got worse".
"The further onwards, the scarier"
~ Russian Proverb
you would call it Cassandra syndrome, but some Cunt stole that term already
Its the worst the best is to just be silly enough that nobody takes you seriously and yells at you for being right most of the time so you don't feel so bitter when they always agreed with you later and also you get yo be silly being silly is better than being correct
TIL: Taking mushrooms and experiencing ego death makes you a superior intellectual. Well I have those qualities, and I assure you, I'm not an intellectual
you're more of an intellectual than a "140iq superior intellect" person who is blinded by their own ability to solve puzzles and thinks they're better than everyone else and never wrong about anything
The Ben Shapiro types. Okay, yeah yeah, you're smart on paper, but you're dumb as shit.
Who wants ORAL SEX?
Who wants TO GO SECOND?
oh no, someone put yummy sauce on this yummy snack, what will I do???
Yeah sure, that's the preferred order. I need get turned on as well and giving one is better than receiving one anyway.
Don't let this man know the power of the 69
This meme kind of sums up a lot of my Reddit experience and why I left.
Not because people shouldn’t question themselves or accept they might be wrong. That is healthy. The problem is how often that idea gets turned into a performance.
A lot of Reddit now feels less like people having a conversation and more like people trying to prove they are the only enlightened person in the room. Every joke gets dissected. Every casual comment becomes a debate. Every disagreement gets reframed as “you just didn’t understand,” “you’re emotional,” or “you need to question your beliefs.”
It stops being curiosity and becomes status-seeking and ultimatly boring as fuck. Been so nice to have actual convosations where if I have my view challenged and changed it's not a huge reaction.
1st Reddit ban: saying Putin should be dealt with after he took Crimea.
2nd Reddit ban: arguing that the countryclub feature on subs was racist back when they required photos of skin color.
3rd Reddit “ban”: recently tried again, immediately shadow banned for saying that ill-behaved Israeli settlers in Thailand should be dealt with harshly by the military. Post instantly moderated by AI. Deleted my account.
Reddit has strayed far from its original vision and purpose
We all hate reddit +4 status to you you can have some of mine
That's what's refreshing on Lemmy people will contradict you or call you out for ranting, but almost always in a respectful way. Unless you mention libidos, some people get really upset about that, lol.