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My employer did this. Outsourced our training department to another employer.
Instead of just laying Paul $25/hour. We paid Training Unlimited $1000/hour.
Of course Paul is the one who really lost. He still only got $25/hour. He went from 3 weeks PTO to 3 days (because he was now a "new hire"), and had to work extra years towards retirement. Literally took 2 years before his 401k as a "new" employee got any match.
Pay me like that and I'll go.
This happened to me when my employer decided to transfer development of a bunch of their products to an outsourcing company. My team and I were traded away to the outsourcer. Anybody who objected was let go.
I didn't stay long after that.
I read War and Peace a couple of years ago for the first time to see what all the fuss was about. There's a scene where one of the characters is hunting with his prize borzoi and mentions that he paid a family of serfs for the dog. He didn't give the family money for the dog -- he gave the family in exchange for the dog. Imagine being the serf family and having to move to a new shitty estate for that.
It's fun to pretend that Tsarist Russia was the last place that still had serfs (until 1861) but that is unfortunately not the case.
it’s called transfers, it does happen
I mean, the difference is that companies typically don't function as an employment cartel like the NFL does. If you work as a data entry clerk, all the other data entry firms won't refuse to hire you if you decide you don't want to transfer to Omaha. But if the Lakers decide they want to sell you to the Red Sox, you really have no choice if you want to continue being a professional hockey player.
NFL
Lakers
Red Sox
hockey
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of sports nerds suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced
Let's see how I do without looking anything up
NFL - Easy! (American) Football.
Lakers - Basketball?
Red Sox - Baseball.
Hockey - Huh. The only team I know of is the one in my own state. I don't have a clue where the rest of the franchise is.
I give myself a 2/4 grade before I even check the answers.
Looking things up...Huh.
The Lakers are based in Los Angeles, and there are two hockey teams there (well, one is in Anaheim. I'm not sure whether that "should count"). The Kings and the Ducks.
The Red Sox are based in Boston which also has a hockey team, the Bruins.
I should probably also look up football teams, but meh. I just lost interest in looking up sports tidbits.
Lakers.. lakes.. lakes freeze over that must be hockey
Red sox , foot wear must be football...
And Bruins.. which is an archaic word for bear... And since it's archaic that means old people use it. And only old people watch baseball so that must be base ball.
How'd I do?
Lakes freeze over: hockey
Socks keep your feet warm: hockey
Bears are what give the Arctic and Antarctic their names: hockey
National Football League. Leagues are the measurement for water, which freezes: hockey
lakes freeze over that must be hockey
Not in southern California AFAIK!
Makes sense since they were originally the Minneapolis Lakers.
If we were paid like pro athletes do. I actually wouldn't mind. This is also why they have trade clauses in their contract to.
Imagine how good the food is at a "minor league" McDonald's...... Or how about a McDonald's owned, operated, and staffed entirely by high-school wannabe chefs. Conversely, if they paid like pro athletes then you're getting Michelin 5 star chefs cranking out chicken mcnuggets at $275.00 for a 4 pack. If THEY pay like that, then WE pay like that. . .
After the franchise wars, all restaurants are taco bell! Or pizza hut.... depending where you saw it.
Or acquisitions. I know a bunch of cases where a business unit was broken off and sold specifically to bring a few engineers over to the other company without needing to poach talent.
But those engineers had to agree to the move. They're free to quit if they don't like that deal, or to demand a raise to agree to it.
Yeah they are included in the negotiations. Usually it comes with a signing bonus and RSUs or options which require a certain tenure.
That's a nice fairy tale mate, you have talent for fiction. Watch out George Martin.
You seem to have no idea what you're talking about.
McDonald’s does this across some of their locations that aren’t super far from each other.
One day you’re working in store A, rest of the week in store B, with the weekend at store C.
Inconvenient but at least it paid the bills.
Because you were employed by the franchisee and not the individual location. This happens in manufacturing and logistics all the time.
That's probably only possible if the stores belong to the same franchisee, right?
I believe that was the case, yes
Like slave trade?
Slave trade? No, no, under capitalism it's just trade.
Call it wage slave trade and we're good
At a pizzeria I used to work at, we had one cook that we basically won from a different pizza shop
It was before I started working there, but as I understand it, a handful of people from our shop and this other place were at a bar or something, I believe playing pool
And at some point a friendly bet was made, something like "if we win, Zippy comes to work with us"
And they did and so he did.
My friend's father actually quit his job at Nestle about 22 years ago because they wanted him to move his family from Switzerland to Singapore. That's a little similar, within the company, but still between national subsidiaries.
As a machinist I'd rather be traded than fired at this point
Everyone's thinking it, I'll just say it - NFL players should be allowed to work from home.
... Was nobody thinking that? Why's everyone looking at me
I mean at this point the NFL is rapidly becoming the secondary product to the gambling apps, so it's not that crazy to think that one day we'll just have video game sports Leagues which only exist to create ground truth for gambling. Just like how they have fake digital horse racing.
I'm sure that already exists, but for the most part people want their navel gazing to have real bellybutton lint
It's what happens when the team ownership is a cartel.
Planet Money had an episode last Wendesday (May 6) about this called "How we got free agents in baseball" about Curt Flood who challenged the system.
The fight went all the way to the US Supreme Court, which decided that yes, MLB had monopsony power, but that it was somehow exempt from laws every other business had to follow.
What's interesting is that the US likes to think of itself as the most capitalist system in the world. But, an essential part of capitalism is competition. Regulators need to step in and prevent cartels from forming so that capitalism can work. The owners of baseball teams (and every other major sports league in the US) prefer to have a cartel where they get to decide if a new team is allowed into the league. And, once you're in the league, no matter how badly the team does, it remains in the league and keeps getting its share of the league revenue.
Meanwhile, in much more "socialist" Europe, football / futbol is far more of a free market capitalist system. In those leagues, a player has an 4-5 year contract with a club. If the club doesn't want the player anymore they can try to sell him to a different club, but the player has to agree to the move. If not, the player's allowed to just see out the rest of their contract, even if they're not playing. The clubs are also not a closed cartel because of promotion and relegation. Typically the worst 3 teams in a league are dropped down to a lower league at the end of the season, while 3 teams from a lower league are promoted to the top league. As a result, if a team looks like it might end up at the bottom, there's a mad scramble to avoid relegation. Unlike in American sports where sometimes a club might lose on purpose to be the worst team in the league and get the first draft pick.
The flip side of this is that in capitalist USA, player's unions are much stronger than in Europe. In the USA the worst paid player on the worst team still tends to make a lot of money. In European futbol teams, the worst paid player is making whatever his/her agent negotiated.
In European futbol teams, the worst paid player is making whatever his/her agent negotiated.
Expanding on this, in the Netherlands, the lowest tier of professional football clubs regularly lose players to the highest tier of amateur clubs. They'll suddenly want to play for the "love of the game", meanwhile accepting a high paying job at the amateur club's main sponsor.
Does the Netherlands have semi-pro leagues too, where there are some pro players and the rest of the team is amateurs?
AFAIK the lowest paid players in the UK make about 20k pounds per year. For many of them, they are basically playing for the love of the game at that point, because they could be making more money doing just about any other job. Sometimes on semi-pro teams, the pro athletes make less than their amateur teammates, because the amateur teammates have high paid office jobs. But, as you said, sometimes those office jobs are a bit suspect.
I'm not sure, if we have semi-pro then it's more like maybe a few k each year. Also first league has quite a few players who need additional income, the pay as a player is too low, especially the players who don't play a lot will get paid on a per match base.
It's even worse, they have a league with around 30 teams for the entire country, while there are several leagues with 20 teams and with high paying clubs.
Nah, let’s not imagine that.
This has literally happened to me
You can't just say that without providing a backstory dude
Looks to me like they can.
And indeed did.
Not much to it. Worked at company A, they sold my department to company B, suddenly could either be an employee of company B or quit and find a new job.
Soon.
Give me their contract and you can trade me anywhere you want! Girl's gotta eat