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“HB 211 is a debt trap. It creates a population of people who are, by definition, unable to pay. And then converts that inability into a labor obligation,” Michael Ryan, a finance expert and founder of MichaelRyanMoney.com, told Newsweek. “The ‘streets to success’ framing is deliberate misdirection. No legitimate treatment program requires the patient to work off their bill under threat of incarceration."

I'm morbidly fascinated by how carefully this article avoids using the obvious term. But slavery. It's slavery. It is a bill that would literally, legally, enslave a population (of predominantly Black men, fucking surprise) for the "crime" of being poor.

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[–] Tiral@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 minutes ago

They already do this with teachers lol. Most work 2-3 hours unpaid every day. And no, they pay themselves over the summer and breaks because their check is stipend, they don't get "free money m" on breaks and summer.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 3 points 25 minutes ago

Louisiana: how can we make slavery even slaverier?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Doesn't the US have more and more failed states?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 2 points 23 minutes ago

Louisiana is already the actual worst in a lot of metrics.

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago
[–] KelvarCherry@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 hours ago

"indentured servitude", which is what this is, is slavery; especially when the costs are forced upon you. This was a common method of immigrating to the USA back in the, like, 1800s; but that debt was taken by willing people who had the option to walk away.

And the crime is sleeping. Jesus fucking Christ USAmerica has gone from a prison state to a torture state.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Ah, back to 17hundreds UK, which their forebears escaped from.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Nah the pilgrims were their own brand of shit leaving multiple places they were perfectly welcome (including the UK itself) and allowed to practice their religion but kept leaving anyway because they weren't allowed to enforce their beliefs on others. This is the US going back to how it was founded.

[–] Napster153@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

More like peeling of the layers they tried to hide from everyone else

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 1 points 4 hours ago

Four bears have escaped 1700s UK?

Where are they now?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 4 hours ago

this is likely one of thier tactics to truncate,shunt homeless people to blue states to burden them financially. because they have use other methods to bus homeless to places like california, nyc.

[–] certified_expert@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Back to 1866?

The Vagrancy Act of 1866, passed by the General Assembly on January 15, 1866, forced into employment, for a term of up to three months, any person who appeared to be unemployed or homeless. If so-called vagrants ran away and were recaptured, they would be forced to work for no compensation while wearing balls and chains. More formally known as the Act Providing for the Punishment of Vagrants, the law came shortly after the American Civil War (1861–1865), when hundreds of thousands of African Americans, many of them just freed from slavery, wandered in search of work and displaced family members.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 24 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Unpaid labor?

You mean slavery?

[–] Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No you don’t understand, they are paid in room and board, therefore they are earning a “living wage”. Suck it libs!

/s

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

If we're going backwards in history, then I guess the next move is to count each one as only 3/5ths of a person.

Which sounds like a perfectly republican idea for "reducing" the prison population numbers.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Oh workhouses are back? Greaaaat

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.
“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman.

“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”
“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”
“Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”

“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 9 points 14 hours ago

Who would have thought we would be living in a techno Dickens world. Just without the neon.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 23 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Louisiana is fast tracking classic American slavery

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe we can uno-reverso this shit, and end up with a bunch of MAGA people picking fruit for free?

[–] db_null@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Enslave the slavers? No thanks. They must be hanged and fed to the crows. Which is what they should have done with every slave owner or confederate general back then.

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 13 hours ago

This worked very well during the Irish famine

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Kinda weird that it's literally illegal there to take a little mid afternoon nap out in public, by the edge of a lake or under the shade in a nice park, etc.

Odd people.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 30 points 18 hours ago

The word is evil. Evil people

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[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 27 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Kind of unrelated but I'm working on crossword and I could really use some help. Does anyone know a word for compulsory unpaid labor? Seven letters. Starts with an "S."

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[–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I imagine this is mainly being pushed by the people of Baton Rouge and New Orleans. There's a bridge near the French Quarter where hundreds of homeless people congregate. People wouldn't mind, but the panhandling and open crack use looks bad in a city dependent of tourism.

The most interesting aspect of this area-in my opinion-is the army of 10 year olds selling crack on their bicycles. They keep it under their tongue and swallow it if they are robbed or stopped by a police officer.

...this is one of the least offensive aspects of this community. Between the lack of education and widespread acceptance of statutory rape, it's hard to understand how people could live like this. People from up north don't understand how bad it is. Forcefully removing these kids from their parents is probably the only way to break the cycle of abuse.

[–] sangriaferret@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I live in New Orleans. I pass by those homeless encampments all the time. They are largely separated from populated areas. No one I know cares that they are there.

This bill was written by a Republican from two towns over. That's who cares. New Orleans is the target of state Republican policies over and over. We are a den of sin filled with people of color, never mind that we fund just about everything in this otherwise miserable state

[–] BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Their location is strategically near the projects/French Quarter. The crack comes from the projects and the money comes from the French Quarter. The problem is "contained", but that is because the police use questionable techniques to keep the homeless away from upper and middle class neighborhoods.

Honestly, the homeless people might be better off if they were arrested for loitering. When I was stuck in that homeless shelter, the police planted baking soda on me. "The distribution of false narcotics." I ended up pleading guilty just to get out of jail.

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 59 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Why do journalists mince words? If you are "coerced into unpaid labour" you are enslaved

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 16 points 17 hours ago

Because the media is not on our side and is actively trying to make this reality. The more they sane wash it, the better.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 25 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (7 children)

The media are owned and controlled by the ruling class - the same class of people who also own and control for-profit prisons, and also own and control elected politicians through lobbying.

As I always say, under capitalism, democracy means the power of the state is auctioned off to the highest bidder.

How does capitalism inevitably lead to fascism?

Basically, the issue with capitalism is that the more wealth you have, the easier it is for you to make more money. And since money can be used to buy goods, services and influence, there is always a way to use money to gain more political and social power. With that political and social power, you can push society and the legal system in the direction you want to go. So you can use your wealth to gain power, and then you can use your power to change laws and society so that you can make even more wealth and power. It’s a positive feedback loop.

Obviously, though, if the billionaires and ruling class are accumulating more and more of our society’s wealth, that inevitably means that there’s less for everyone else to go around - therefore, working class people feel poorer and poorer. Meanwhile, the economy is going absolutely great for rich people, so inflation continues to go up - everything gets more expensive, but wages don’t increase. The wealthy just keep more and more of the wealth for themselves. To accumulate more and more wealth, they change the laws so that they can avoid paying taxes, so public services collapse. Politicians are lobbied to ensure that public funds are diverted away from where it is most needed - housing, healthcare, transportation, infrastructure - and instead into industries where their class interests most benefit from it, such as weapons manufacturing and extractive industries such as fossil fuels and mining.

The working class are bound to notice that their lives are getting shittier and shittier, and if that situation is left unchecked, the working class would realize that the ruling class are fucking them over, rise up, and overthrow their rulers. Obviously, the ruling class need to do something about this, but there’s no solution that the ruling class can offer. They’re causing all of the problems, to fix them they’d have to give up some of their wealth and power - and that’s not something they’re going to do. So they need to find someone else to blame the problems we have in society on. Unfortunately, though, no matter who they blame the problems on, and no matter what they do to “fix” it, the issue will continue to persist, because the material conditions underlying the issues are, very intentionally, never addressed.

So, the conundrum returns: The ruling class said that minority A caused all of the problems, minority A is persecuted and oppressed, but society doesn’t actually get any better. Either the problem wasn’t minority A, or minority A just hasn’t been oppressed enough yet. So the ruling class can either escalate the oppression, or they can shift the focus to another minority group. The division continues to escalate in terms of how vitriolic and extreme it is, and it also continues to divide the working class into smaller and smaller groups.

To get the working class to buy into this hateful message, they need to take advantage of our worst instincts, and one of those instincts is the in-group bias. The majority are manipulated into being suspicious, then intolerant, then hateful, then violent, then genocidal, towards whatever the targeted minority of the day is. Anything that can be used to divide the working class - sexuality, nationality, immigration status, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender identity, age, all of these will be used as wedges to keep the working class split apart and not working together, because they know that if the working class actually unite against them, they are completely and truly fucked.

That’s exactly how fascism manifests. It’s because it’s possible for people to accumulate power through wealth. This is why capitalism must be abolished. If we do not abolish capitalism, fascism will always return. It’s just a matter of time.

But can't capitalism can be reformed?

While, of course, some laws to reform capitalism can be passed, and would definitely alleviate the worst harm caused, over the long term, capitalism cannot be reformed.

Any attempts to reform, democratize or socialize capitalism may yield short term improvements to quality of life of the working class, but if capitalism is not abolished, it will always reassert itself, and capitalism inevitably leads towards fascism.

The New Deal prevented the US from sliding into fascism in the 20th century, so that’s ultimately a good thing, but it did not go far enough, and that’s why we have the resurgence of fascism in the 21st century America.

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[–] 10thGlyphix@lemmy.zip 68 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

That's just slavery with extra steps. But we already have for profit prison work camps. So I guess it's just a different flavor of slavery. Oh, and the ice "holding facilities" and "detention centers" because due process is only for white americans, aparently. They might start making them do labor also. You know, digging ditches and standing naked in front of them with a bulleye chest. That sort of thing. What happened to the whole world fighting against the one bad country?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

thier prisons arnt filling up like they are used to, so they turn to the homeless.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 28 points 22 hours ago

Just an ugly reminder that slavery wasn't actually outlawed in the US.

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 19 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Bell Riots when? We are long overdue

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 9 points 18 hours ago

There is a little thing I heard about some in the US doing tomorrow, May Day Strike. Sure it is one day, but it's a start. Not from US but to show some solidarity I will not be using (within reason as I can't not use windows at work) any US tech tomorrow, no Youtube, no streaming on youtube, not even going to play any steam games, lucky for me this platform is not a US thing so will be here.

Your gov't is trying to bring on the riots, any riots, to cancel elections. Remember it is harder to control 20 groups of 1000 people than 1 group of 20000 people

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 15 hours ago

Ohh looky not enough prisons now, remind me, who pays for those?

[–] Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 60 points 23 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 52 points 23 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (2 children)
[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 9 points 18 hours ago

We can call it Redestruction!

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 29 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I had "bring back slavery" on my bingo card. I just need 'nuclear holocaust' to win now. 🤞

[–] EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Bring back?

My random internet person, we enshrined it in our goddamn constitution. It never went away, we legalized it and constitutionally protected it in such a way that ensures it will never go away until the document on which it is written is burned along with the institution that created it.

There's never going to be anything 2/3 of states agree on enough to change the constitution for again. Divisive politics and complicit media make sure of that.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey, I called it!

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/19594178

They're just gonna revert back to the 'no one wants to work' mantra untill we just literally put our incarcerated prisoners to work in the fields, going full circle all the way back to slavery.

Combine that with the Grants Pass decision literally criminalizing homelesness, and yep, somehow, slavery returned!

Oh boy do I just sure love being right about things like this...

holy shit this country is literally evil

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

We already use a lot of incarcerated labor in "invisible" jobs. Whole industries rely on incarcerated labor.

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