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Does Feddit.uk have a position on Lemmy.World defederating instances over a single user? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/67858553

Join the Pledge to boycott lemmy.world!

🏴‍☠️ Hoist the Black Flag: Pledge to Boycott Lemmy World!

... if Lemmy World dares to defederate from any ship in the Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla - https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/, https://anarchist.nexus/, and https://quokk.au/.

Mateys, we can’t let a mega‑instance captain bully the rest of the fleet just because their ship’s bigger. If Lemmy World tries to throw the FAF overboard, we’re calling for a show of solidarity: a fediverse blockade of Lemmy World in response, until the landlubbers see reason (i.e., there is an acceptable change in their leadership and/or this policy).

This is about mutual aid, not mutiny - standing together so no single admin gets to rule the seas unchallenged. A united armada of smaller instances can absolutely blunt Lemmy World’s outsized influence (and, let’s be honest, their ego).

☠️ A word to the captains: before hoisting colours or locking in a course, we ask ye to let your crew have their say. Run a poll, open the deck for discussion, and listen to the voices aboard your vessel. These seas belong to all of us, and decisions that shape our fediverse should be made together, not from the captain’s quarters alone.

If other captains be keen to chart this course with us, drop anchor and make the pledge public in the comments. The more hands on deck, the harder it is to sink any one of us. Let us know if you are holding a vote!

dbzer0 and AN members can vote on this pledge in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and quokk.au will be holding their own vote.

🏴‍☠️ Solidarity forever, and fair winds to the Flotilla!

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[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 1 points 5 hours ago

Inter-instance drama is so exhausting. I hope we stay out of this, if individual users want to boycott a particular instance, it's on them to put instance blocks at a user level.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Do you mean the userbase or the admin team? If the former, then it's probably no as defeding is normally unpopular.

From what I understand of this situation, anarchist.nexus (AN) had an edgelord admin who put 'murder all Zionists' in their display name and then called some of the people around the world instances Zionists. An l.w admin then unilaterally defed from the instance with no communication within their own team or with other Dbzero/AN admins, with the announcement of this being a call in an admin chat for other admins to follow suit. They've since refederated and I haven't followed what been said in the dozen or so threads about this because I've been busy trying to get EON to fix my gas meter.

For my part, I not going to commit us to anything on this unless it's what f.ukers want.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago

I would be offended at being called a f.uker, but actually I can be an annoying f.uker at times.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Uh oh! good luck!

Both. Although there's only one feddit.uk vote and one feddit.uk comment (besides yours).

Is there a meta community at all that is only visible to local accounts? I had a search last night but this seemed the most appropriate community.

I think your understanding of the situation seems to be about right, stitching together everyone's "he said, she said, they said" together. My concern is that Lemmy.World don't seem to have put the situation to bed yet, with their latest update saying they're still in discussions despite the anarchist.nexus admin stepping down and lemmy.world not following their own rules (according to this comment).

The crossposted thread isn't a call to defederate. But a question of future solidarity, that if Lemmy.world defederates from anarchist.nexus/dbzer0 over a single user would other communities defederate from Lemmy.world in response? To try and prevent the largest instance from bullying smaller ones.

I wanted to know the feddit.UK stance on such a question but you're the only f.uker to respond! (Although granted the most important one to respond, thank you!)

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 2 points 3 days ago

Is there a meta community at all that is only visible to local accounts?

There's !local_shop@feddit.uk which is only visible to logged in users and doesn't federate. A meta community only visible to f.ukers hasn't been something we've needed, but I suppose one would be good for inter-instance politics to avoid brigading.

[–] Anomnomnomaly@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've blocked their entire instance, every other instance should do the same. Let them stew in their own isolated island of hate and bile... genocidal loving zionists can go fuck themselves.

[–] Andy_R@feddit.uk -2 points 1 day ago

Agreed. Sick and tired of these murderers being allowed a space to air propaganda.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago

Draaaaama 🤪

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

what instance? what single user?

your cross post adds no context

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

Anarchist.nexus was the instance, which is the Piefed version of dbzer0. Luminous was the anarchist.nexus user/admin and MrKaplan was the Lemmy.world admin that defederated.

One side of the story is here:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/25750862

The other side of the story is here:

https://lemmy.world/post/45909721

[–] Corgana@startrek.website -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sharing here because the free speech instance censored it

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Things invert when the instance "defending itself" has 1/3rd of the threadiverse active users.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago

I'm sure the account that's been offline for months until now is normal.

Especially when they only hate us because we stand up for what's right.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 1 points 21 hours ago

Why do you say that? They hold no power over us, nor us over them. They can't control what we choose to store on our own hard drives.

[–] rah@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You'll need to provide more information.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

What's the opposite of a black flag, and how are instances expected to hoist one?

I'm grumbled about LW's size, but that was more along the lines of the spirit of the Fediverse / decentralization. Their whole argument of LW using their size to push other instances around is completely absurd. Like, WTF is LW supposed to even do if they don't want to platform the kind of violent rhetoric that comes from any of the (and I cannot say this with a straight face) Fediverse Anarchist Flotilla members? Every time LW does anything to try to bring order or sanity or a modicum of health and safety to their instance, that's the argument that always gets thrown around from others. It's completely asinine and, quite frankly, tired.

And it's not just over one user. It's about the kind of extremist culture that comes from the very top of two of the three instances mentioned (which also have a ~90% overlap in admins). None of the other admins have a problem with calling for murder / circle-jerking over who deserves to be murdered and have been defending the "one user" vigorously if not outright engaging in the same rhetoric themselves.

Given that one side of this feud is all "violence, violence, murder" and the other side is like "nah, we don't want to platform that", it's pretty hard to see what the, lol "Flotilla" is doing as anything other than trying to DARVO the situation and play the victim.

A line has to be drawn somewhere, and my only gripe with LW's actions is that they didn't happen sooner.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

dbzer0 is getting pulled by AN into a deeper axis - solidarity among leftists I believe - while AN is beginning to become another Hexbear. AN would like it very much pwetty pulease if they could troll users on other instances, including calls for outright murder of every single person on Lemmy.world, Israel, and also the USA, plus they (and now dbzer0) would also like for those recipient instances to just shut up and take the abuse, without being allowed any recourse to avoid it.

This is always the problem with such "free speech" proponents - it is always free speech for me but not so much for thee. Ofc, the users en mass cannot begin to contemplate that the leopard might one day eat their faces off!! 😲🐆

It really harms the situation when people misrepresent the facts by selectively picking and choosing the elements that they would like others to know, while leaving out the crucial details that would otherwise entirely change the story. The top example of that afaik being how MrKaplan was not merely reacting to an individual user's status message, which honestly might have been enough to begin discussions about LW blockading AN all on its own, yet would have vastly reduced the urgency of it all. CRUCIALLY that user (Luminous) had previously called out MrKaplan individually and personally as a Zionist.

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It would be like if I had said "death to all traitors", where you might even agree with my general statement, yet that statement hits quite differently when I had just previously called YOU a traitor. The two things combined are what makes it a PERSONAL attack. And I need to add a note here, entirely unrelated to whether you might be an actual traitor or not. Though all the more so when ~~the people discussing this seem to believe that MrKaplan is a legit Zionist~~ ahem "I think that you are a legitimate traitor".

Unfortunately the actual facts do not seem to matter to a large number of people discussing this. Many because they simply have not put in the time to research them, but others know the situation full well and are just taking advantage of the situation to try to push forward their agenda against LW.

Enforcing previously stated rules - against calls for irl murder - is the definition of "fair". Asking MrKaplan to put up with calls for his actual irl murder, while not being allowed to say or do anything in return, is the epitome of "unfair".

And don't even get me started on all the logical fallacies that I see continually leveraged - goalpost shifting, taking words out of context while deliberately twisting their meaning, etc. This is all very much beyond childish, it seems rather intentional to me.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It would be like if I had said "death to all traitors", where you might even agree with my general statement, yet that statement hits quite differently when I had just previously called YOU a traitor. The two things combined are what makes it a PERSONAL attack

Exactly that. I have no idea why people refuse to see that. We learned about the transitive property in 5th grade maths, and it applies here in the same way.

dbzer0 is getting pulled by AN into a deeper axis - solidarity among leftists I believe - while AN is beginning to become another Hexbear.

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And don't even get me started on all the logical fallacies that I see continually leveraged - goalpost shifting, taking words out of context while deliberately twisting their meaning, etc. This is all very much beyond childish, it seems rather intentional to me.

While not exclusive to them, that's been hexbear's MO for as long as I've been aware of their existence, so there certainly seems to be some contamination originating from there. /0 is federated with hexbear but not grad. AN feds with grad and HB.

One side of this feud just needs to pull the proverbial trigger already, de-fed, and whatever happens happens; things will balance back out on its own in time and ideally the violent crazies will have their space and normal people theirs. I'm so sick of the drama, the violent crazy people, the gaslighting, the DARVO-ing, the witch hunts, the conspiracy theories, the name calling, the purity tests, the finger pointing, and I'm not even active here that much anymore, so let that put the scale of this bullshit in perspective.

AN would like it very much pwetty pulease if they could troll users on other instances,

That's exactly the crux of their argument, and they refuse to even ask "are we the baddies?" and instead are DARVO-ing the situation and playing the victim.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The downstream effect of this will be people leaving the Threadiverse, going to Meta, X/Bluesky, and Reddit.

The downstream effect of the previous b-b-but BoTh SiDeS sAmE campaign (this one not exclusively on the Fediverse nor, presumably, even aimed at us so much as having spilled over from elsewhere) was the election of Donald J Trump, in large part since Kamala Harris was deemed not a strong enough supporter of Palestine or workers rights or fiscal conservativism or whatever other points they thought would (and somehow DID!!!) stick.

But sure, let's pull this trigger once more.

I have no idea why people refuse to see that.

Either lack of evidence has somehow now become evidence of lack... or else there are biased "agendas" at play. Of course, the people complaining are a very small minority of all of us here across the Threadiverse, but remember that for conservativism (even the kind that calls itself "leftist"), fear is the point. By making all this noise, it silences the non-extremists in the middle who just want to browse some memes and have a pleasant conversation from time to time without being called a Zionist and having literal death threats levied collectively at us all, for failure to... what, not grab a gun and walk over to Palestine and fight on their behalf? Incels gonna incel.

Ironically, I used to think of /0 as a serious instance, not very much at all like HB. But first the shift towards uncritical acceptance of tankies and now this debacle has convinced me that it is heading towards becoming a second one at full speed ahead.

Which worries me because even after the upcoming defed, as you say regardless of who pulls what trigger, the people with the highest amount of drive to spread their agenda still further are the most likely to jump onto a normal instance and push for it to convert as well, just as happened here with /0. .

To anyone else that might happen to read this: stay curious! Stay skeptical! A "summary" offered from a biased source, which leaves out the most crucial details, and all the more so if it is written by an LLM, is not worthy of your uncritical acceptance! Do not believe me, or Admiral Patrick, or anything other than your very own eyes!! People sometimes tell untrue statements on the internet!

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[–] commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 hours ago

I used to think of /0 as a serious instance

what's a serious instance?

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I used to think of /0 as a serious instance

I did too, which is kind of why I'm so emotionally invested in this (as far as I can care about this kind of drama, anyway). I also used to think db0 (the person/user) was alright but recent events have shattered that illusion.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that it wasn't that db0 (and /0 the instance) let me down so much as I'm now questioning my own judgement for thinking they were ever okay in the first place.

Regardless, that stings.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 1 day ago

Fwiw, I do think that things changed. It would be easy to simply say that Power Corrupts, which is obviously true (and in this case the Flotilla offers increased weight for someone to leverage in order to achieve their aims).

But I think it is more than that. I read into those messages we talked about from 10+ months ago a level of fear of rising levels of fascism across the globe. So the most charitable explanation thus being that there is safety in numbers? Even though my admittedly extremely brief read of their charter seems to preclude member instances from being able to defederate who they want (for any reason?) - i.e. an authoritarian structure?

That instance does not realize that it will be - in fact seemingly has already been - eaten alive, by the most extremists, and is now being slowly digested. It is speed-running tankism, skipping past the "freedom" part to the part where people are now free to do as THEY say?

I find the height of irony that in the call for additional admins, they have this language:

You should have a anarchist democratic mindframe. We don’t need a voting decision on everything (just do direct action), but you should be willing to be judged on your decisions and roll them back if they are unpopular.

Which sounds precisely like what they are now accusing MrKaplan of having done? No vote, just act, then roll back the decision of defederation when the circumstances changed (i.e. when Luminous stepped down as admin of AN). But... that was THEN, and for THEM, whereas this is NOW, and for someone ELSE. A different rule for thee (now) than for me (then)... aka do as I say (now), not as I do (then).

Fear makes people do odd things.:-(

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

No love lost for dbzer0 and their buddies here (they already defederated my instance for alleged zionism), but it's not too much to ask to communicate this properly to your users. The lemmy.world admins didn't even make a proper announcement about the defederation, nevermind actually discussing it. IDK that I'd want to bother "boycotting" them over this (whatever that actually means here), but the way they handled it fucking sucks.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 8 points 3 days ago

but the way they handled it fucking sucks

That's about the only legit gripe I've heard, and I can understand, but it doesn't bother me too much (even if LW was my main - I only have a mod alt there I use for reports) . FWIW, they walked it back for further discussion, but I can see where they came from by acting first and announcing it later.

I abhor the inter-instance politics, and can certainly recognize that LW's size makes it a target for blowback, but when the admins of one instance are all "murder murder murder" and explicitly point to the LW admin team as people they think should be murdered, can you really blame them?

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago

one side of this feud is all ~~“violence, violence, murder”~~ "genocide is bad and shouldn't be supported" and the other side is like “nah, we don’t want to platform that"

Ftfy