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[–] darthsundhaft@piefed.social 131 points 5 days ago (10 children)

What I'm hearing is, they will literally risk people dying on planes just to train AI AND would rather do that than hire/employ actual staff that will do the work. Somehow, paying their staff a liveable wage and treating them like a human being just doesn't bode well enough for the rich people making these decisions.

This is fucking insane. I bet you that none of the places with private jets flying all these asshole c-suite execs are using AI. It's only being forced on the public because the idiots bought into the hype and don't know how else to make money out of it.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I wonder how many plane crashes it'll take before this changes.

If at all.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 26 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Look at how quick we got used to school shootings and climate change and death-squad healthcare and a bunch of other awfulnesses.

We are very good at taking abuse and carrying on with it.

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[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 4 days ago (7 children)

So when, and i do mean when, this results in a crash, who will be held responsible?

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Well we have already had deaths due to the current crunch (and not paying them) of us air traffic controllers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laguardia-collision-air-traffic-control-ntsb-9.7140479

And who was blamed for those? Oh yeah the traffic controllers! So when grok starts seeing how many 737s can fit in the same physical space, it will be the controllers fault. As you can imagine this will make those controllers want to quit, meaning more pressure to use shit like AI tools.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 4 days ago

Fortunately the world is going to run out of aviation fluid next week so we won't have to find out.

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[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

My mistake, you’re absolutely right -- I neglected to ensure the runway was clear before scheduling that landing. Please accept my apologies for causing those deaths. I’m really glad to be working with you, it’s reassuring that you’ll always keep me honest. You’re not just an assistant traffic controller -- you’re a friend.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 4 days ago

We don't have enough air traffic controllers.

We use AI to reduce their workload. <---- We are here

We don't need as many air traffic controllers.

We sack more air traffic controllers.

We don't have enough air traffic controllers.

[–] OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 69 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Oh man! Pilot here.

And we thought Reagan fucked up!

[–] eskimofry@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It's still appropriate to blame Reagan, funnily enough.

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[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Let's say the error rate is 0.1%. Pretty low, right. But that's one mistake per thousand flights. Are they really okay with one plane out of a thousand potentially crashing? There are certain industries and jobs where AI simply cannot and should not be used.

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[–] Argyle13@lemmy.world 86 points 5 days ago (11 children)

What could possibly go wrong?? 🤦🏻‍♀️

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

People just straight up believe AI is magic.

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Or we could hire more air traffic controllers and upgrading their systems from 1970.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Costs money right? There is money for wars only.

[–] ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And to pay Saltman and MisAnthropic for tokens... Look yes I know we could hire like 10 ATCs for the cost of this one dude's ChatJippity usage but we've gotta keep the bubble bubbling

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[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 18 points 4 days ago

when you have the pilot and microslop copilot:

for entertainment purposes only

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Lord I’m never flying again now.

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Prompt unclear, plane stuck in skyscraper.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

"you're absolutely right! I have revised my response, here are some better instructions..."

Revisions unclear... A second plane has struck a skyscaper.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 32 points 5 days ago (5 children)

There some people gonna die

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[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

National Geographic producers are rubbing their hands knowing that future seasons of Air Crash Investigations are secure.

[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 43 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The reasons never to visit the US, keep piling up.

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[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 39 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Aside from obvious safety issues, I fully expect your already numb ass will sit on the runway/gate for another hour while the palantir executives private jets laden with your tax dollars take up all of the takeoff slots. Enjoy that knowledge while the kid behind you starts kicking the back of your seat.

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[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Powered by Grok?

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

LOL. Fuck that. I'm not flying.

[–] Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 4 days ago

Forget flying, you'll be getting Donnie Darkoed in your bedroom.

[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 days ago

Yet another reason not to go to the USA.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

So even flying over America without landing there is going to become dangerous.

Best choose flights with Polar routes, going the other way around or which fly over South America instead.

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[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 11 points 4 days ago

We just need one rich asshole in a private jet to crash due to ATC failure for them to care.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 13 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Fuck AI for this, but there's a lot of room in ATC for further automation. To be perfectly honest, if the planes can more or less land themselves, and they're all fly-by-wire, I could see nearly automating the whole thing. Phase it in over a 10-year plan... computers HAVE to be able to be better at this than one unpaid, overworked, under-rested controller.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I'm all for automation if it works and if it improves safety but as far as I know they haven't proven that yet. I'd like to see an AI air traffic controller running in a simulation for many many years of simulation time first before we would even begin to talk about implementing it in real hardware.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Maybe this will finally bring back a solid rail and bus transit infrastructure again.

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[–] bassgirl09@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Wow. Just wow. This sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. So, how will the AI cope with a pilot not following instructions and/or confused by the instructions? Or better yet, how about weather events? It looks like self-driving cars, but with airplanes. If done even slightly incorrectly, it will be disastrous, but if it is not a real-time tool and has a human that actually checks its recommendations and acts accordingly, then it might be okay. Either way, I will be avoiding flying once this rolls out. WOW.

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[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Ya know......when I watched 9/11 happen live on tv, it never once crossed my mind that the next time this happened it would be because people are going to become too stupid to fly planes themselves.

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[–] X@piefed.world 38 points 5 days ago

Good luck, alpha testers!

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I tried to use AI to install a reverse osmosis water system yesterday, I asked it to look at manual for hose colors to match them, I figured it would save me a few mins.

After an hour of it not working and trying all sorts of nonsense I looked in manual to have it show me it had given me all the wrong information to a simple task.

I can't wait to have people's lives reliant on this technology.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

AI is a pretty big catch-all term. If they mean specially designed and trained deep learning neural nets, maaaaybe it'll be okay. If they mean typical LLMs we're straight up fucked.

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[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Well, once the mistakes start to pile up I will probably get a lot less judgement from others about my apprehension of flying.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Welp, I'm fine continuing to never get on a plane post PATRIOT ACT.

All American Roadtrips forever, apparently.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 11 points 4 days ago (8 children)

In the future when anyone suggests some cockamamie idea, they are going to say "That was another Trump era failure. We already tried it, and it didn't work."

Then some dummy will say "Yeah, but that was Trump. He was an idiot. We'll do it right!" And then we'll waste another few billion.

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