Can someone explain what this means or what they're doing? All I know is that habeas corpus has something to do with you actually showing up in court, physically. It means something like "have the body," in Latin (?)

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 41 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

They are challenging the legality of the imprisonment of people by ICE. When it is granted, ICE now needs to bring the prisoner before the court, which might help undisappear people, in conjunction with them having to prove they are legally justified to detain them.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 30 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 34 minutes ago) (1 children)

I’m not a fan of optimism. Optimism and pessimism are both a form of vulgar fatalism — the belief that things are going to get better or worse irrespective of what we do. If I believed that, I wouldn’t get out of bed.

But I believe very much in hope. And hope is the belief that if you materially improve your circumstances, you will gain a new vantage point from which you will see things that you couldn’t see before.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9LgLg0zlbJQ&t=734

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 42 minutes ago (2 children)

Nice quote. What's the origin?

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 33 minutes ago

Added to the original comment. Sorry about that!

[–] MostRegularPeople@lemmy.world 2 points 34 minutes ago

Corey Doctorow.

I think.

[–] tae_glas@slrpnk.net 64 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

we have more power than they want you to realise, too 🙌

[–] diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Hopefully we get to use it someday!

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 2 points 36 minutes ago

Improve your local community

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 hours ago

Now. Use it now. That’s what the whole post is saying.

[+] cecilkorik@piefed.ca -7 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

The problem is, even "10 people ordered released" is explicitly not the same thing as "10 people released" when the government just ignores the courts, which is what they're doing. It's not that hard to get the courts to agree that this is illegal, because it is. It's much harder to get ICE to comply with the laws.

It's great that he's trying, but are any of these people actually released now? That's the critical question. If they're not actually being released, then all these things he's doing and encouraging others to do is performative. And that's the problem, people think they're "helping" when in reality, it has gone beyond that. People need to understand how deep the corruption actually is and how much damage has already been done. The systems of democracy and justice we used to rely on are no longer reliable, and it's counterproductive to still believe they are in the face of the evidence that reality is providing.

[–] Curiousfur@lemmy.world 27 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

When all's said and done, I'd rather have proof that ICE ignored 1000 orders than only ignored 10 and nobody challenged the other 990. It's not one or the other, we can still use the court systems to create a trail of accountability while we also work to dismantle the systems being put in place to ignore the courts. As flawed and incomplete as the Nuremberg trials were, they only made it as far as they did because so much was documented by people who thought they'd never be held accountable for their actions. Every ignored court order is the chance to punish someone when they are no longer in power.

And besides, even if they only obey one out of every ten, that's still worth the effort when the alternative is just not trying because people don't think it'll work.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 0 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

That's totally sensible, my issue is just with framing this as "10 people released". If it actually is, great, fantastic. But if it's not, it's creating a false sense of progress that causes people to underestimate the problem and feel like it's resolved when it's really, really not.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

Do you have evidence for either that these 10 orders were ignored or that there was some false sense of progress that coddled anyone to not do anything because of these 10 orders?

Resistance is not a monolith, it is not all or nothing. It is these shitty 10 orders AND all the other work that people are doing. There is nothing too small and too petty when it comes to resisting fascism. Every little thing raises the cost for the fascists, raises the friction. Remember that 1944 manual on Simple Sabotage? Raise the friction in every way possible. That's the point.

So, sure say your reminder that "that's not enough" but then move on and go do something petty to raise the friction the fascists face.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 1 points 59 minutes ago* (last edited 58 minutes ago)

This comment is also speculation is it not? We have evidence that the court ordered people to be released. We don't have evidence that the order was ignored. Even in the cases where ICE/DHS have taken time to release people they drag their feet, maybe submit an appeal, but they have not outright ignored the order.

Huge asterisk of course because they did ignore orders when sending people out of country. But in terms of holding them domestically the largest delay I've heard was a week I believe where they were trying to get out of the court order through appeals.

Feel free to post evidence though, keeping up with the crimes of this administration is a full time job

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the time, ICE does comply with court orders. There is a definite survivorship bias at play where stories of compliance don't make the media, but stories of non-compliance do. The courts have been, and continue to be, a major thorn in the Trump administration's side.

[–] teft@piefed.social 1 points 43 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

I watch pretty much all of legal eagles videos and from what they’ve been reporting it appears ice and dhs are ignoring the courts wholesale. The courts are starting to drag sitting US attorneys into court to testify because they have been ignoring court orders.

Where have you seen info of ice complying with orders because everything i’ve seen with my lying eyes says they aren’t.