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New U.S laws designed to protect minors are pulling millions of adult Americans into mandatory age-verification gates to access online content, leading to backlash from users and criticism from privacy advocates that a free and open internet is at stake. Roughly half of U.S. states have enacted or are advancing laws requiring platforms — including adult content sites, online gaming services, and social media apps — to block underage users, forcing companies to screen everyone who approaches these digital gates.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

No one cares.

Maybe I'm just down today, but most everyone I know is getting sucked into ChatGPT, short form videos, Discord, political extremism, getting screwed by the corporations they work for, you name it. They get their eyeballs scanned, they do the verification; no one cares. They aren't even intrerested in basic privacy steps.

And even in things I have some expertise in (like transformers LLMs), I can't talk anyone out of anything.

Even Lemmy feels like its spiraling.

It feels like humanity is losing.

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like you'd have to be a serious "hacker" kind of person to be anonymous on the internet.

Majority of people use their phone. I'm sure the government right now could tell who I actually am if they wanted to know. I wouldn't be surprised if someone on Lemmy could even figure it out.

Home WiFi?

Let me go sign up for a VPN with all my info...

I mean is it all really worth it?

I could be in the minority but I would rather watch tailored ads than hear another medication commercial.

Do I care that "they" know what kind of YouTube videos I watch? Do I even care what kind of porn I watch?

I am all for privacy and freedom don't get me wrong. I think we should fight.

But it does feel like we have lost the fight. What's wrong is we have to worry about what the government will do with that information.

We make a big deal about giving Pornhub our information but gladly hand it over to Amazon. Hell people would probably send in blood to get free 2-day shipping.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I don't mean being anonymous, but basic hygeine.

Block ads.

Use startpage or something instead of Google.

Avoid getting stuck on YouTube Shorts for hours, don't trust ChatGPT implicitly. Maybe use a password manager.

It is not that hard. But, even compared to a dysfunctional person like me, people literally cannot help themselves, apparently.

[–] sheetzoos@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

If they cared about children, they'd prosecute everyone in the Epstein list.

[–] schwim@piefed.zip 68 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who's dumb enough to believe it was ever for child safety?

[–] papasan_mamasan@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The sort of morons who shouldn’t be using the internet anyway. I miss when the internet was for nerds.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Probably most of the same people who believe ICE is only rounding up "illegals".

[–] awmwrites@lemmy.cafe 134 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Yeah, that headline is incorrect. The laws are there specifically to surveil adults, "for child safety" is a smokescreen justification. This isn't a "we tried to do a good thing, but there's this unfortunate side effect," the surveillance was the goal.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 23 points 1 day ago

surveillience data for palintir, to look for political dissidents and associated families, nothing more.

[–] homes@piefed.world 82 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This has nothing at all to do with “child safety”. It’s all about data mining. And controlling what everyone can see or say online.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago

also to monitor any left leaning activisim/dissidents , or associated agaisnt conservative governments.

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can we please start our own mesh network completely decentralized from the main web?

This mesh would need to be completely anonymous where people can connect and disconnect from surrounding nodes and people could host their own websites.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

A lot of the pieces are already there.

Decentralized, fast, light and performant, encrypted but not anonymous: Yggdrasil Decentralized, slow, obscured identity: I2P Multi-medium bridging: reticulum

For most of us, Yggdrasil solves the problem. Going decentralized takes power away from the techbros that made this shit possible in the first place. You stop using their services they aren’t going to be happy and will resist the regime that cost them money.

For spreading news that powerful people don’t wants spread, I2P. TOR has been compromised for years now. I2P isn’t perfect. It can be taken down from time to time and it’s slow as balls, but it’ll allow reporters to be safer and for any evidence to be distributed so wide they will never contain it all.

Reticulum will help users hop across multiple mediums and at this point could be usable for adapting lora stuff like meshtastic applications into the network too. It’s most useful for jumping across different modes of communication. Yggdrasil is likely going to outperform this but reticulum solves additional problems Yggdrasil itself cannot so they are both valuable.

[–] this@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I discovered this recently, looks like a fairly promising beginning: https://reticulum.network/

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

This looks very interesting thanks for sharing! I am definitely going to look into this deeper and see what I need to get something up and running as a start.

[–] eli@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago

I can't wait until it's leaked that these child accounts are being used to target minors for whatever: ads, sexual exploitation, etc.

[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm going to copy and paste a comment I made elsewhere:

The problem with age verification is VERY much in the implementation. It IS possible to do age verification without having to identify yourself to Meta/PornHub/Whoever. It IS possible to maintain privacy, AND restrict things like porn and social media to those who are of age. Look at how the Estonian system works, it’s brilliant. The problem isn’t age verification, it’s the blatant data grab that is currently trying to destroy your online anonymity…

[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And because someone will probably ask, this is my understanding of how it would work for age verification (I am not an expert):

There are 3 parties in this scenario. The Estonian state, Meta, and a 3rd party (which is currently a real 3rd party, but work is being done to allow this to be a digital wallet on your device, that you control)

The state issues your 3rd party a magic cryptographic cert that has all your personal data like dob

Meta issue an age challenge: Not “what’s your dob” but rather “Are you old enough to use this service?”

3rd party show you exactly what Meta are requesting and give you the option to approve or deny the request

If you approve, the 3rd party generate a new cert that JUST says “Yes I’m of age” and nothing else.

Because it’s been generated from the states magic cert it can be verified with their public key.

Meta don’t get more info than they need, the state can’t see that you’ve logged into Meta, but you’ve successfully proved you’re old enough to use the service.

The current weak point is that the 3rd party can absolutely see all of it, but there’s no reason the 3rd party has to be an external service. It could absolutely be an app on your device.

You still need to prove yourself to the state, but you’d have to do that to get an id card in the first place. It’s WAAAAY better than trusting all the different porn sites and social media services individually to not leak or misuse your data

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The problem isnt just that the third party can abuse their access to your information, it's that it is digitally stored and certifiable at all

The most secure data providers in the world have all basically had data breaches by now - including the IRS and US government. There is no party that can guarantee data security, even if they themselves are benevolent.

And for what purpose are we willing to gut privacy online? So it's marginally more difficult for minors to obtain porn?

GTFO. De-anonymization has always been the goal, not 'protecting the children'.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

How about a system where I can go physically to a shop, show them my id, then the clerk allows me to buy a box of tokens that I picked up myself from the shelf.

I can pay with cash, the clerk just looks at my face and ID, nothing gets entered into the system.

Then I have a bag of tokens that could have various expire dates. Some could last years. They are not tied to any person in anyway but only adults could access them.

And yes, I can totally give it to some kids, but that’s no different than me buying kids alcohol.

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[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The problem is: you're assuming they're arguing in good faith when they say it's about pRoTeCtInG tHe ChIlDrEn. It's not. It's a pretext for the data grab and mass surveillance of everyone. They will gladly take your argument, claim age verification is compatible with privacy and anonymity, and then introduce age verification systems that do implement mass surveillance. Don't give them an inch.

[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago

No I'm not! I'm in 100% agreement with you that this has nothing to do with protecting children! Age verification, if done properly, is a good idea, that I'm completely for. But you're right, this isn't that. This is a smokescreen.

I just want to be sure that people understand that they ARE using a good idea as their cover here. It CAN be compatible with privacy and anonymity, and it is a good idea to stop young children engaging with the cess pit that is modern social media.

At some point, I sincerely hope that the current regime will end and be replaced by something more sane. At that point, I don't want people to immediately think "age verification = bad"

[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm already pissy about them constantly trying to have my cc data everytime I make on online purchase. Windows asks, Google asks, ebay ask, and then my browser asks.

The answer is always no.

To ID verification, My discord is a decade old. If you can't do math well enough to guess that I wasn't 8 when I made it then that's a you problem.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Murdoc@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago
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[–] Pricklesthemagicfish@reddthat.com 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people who dont care kids are killed almost daily at school which they have no choice but attend. The people watch movies and buy products from businesses literally destroying the environment. The people who vote for people who rape and eat children to run the government. I totally believe you have the countries kids best interests in mind /s [x]

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They people who wave away bombing a school and killing 175 because "it's war"(that we unilaterally started). These are definitely the people who you want to trust on child safety and well-being.

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[–] doesit@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

In the uk, you have to have your face filmed at different angles with your webcam. Spooky...
Just to be able to access Reddit

[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

1000057365

Also fuck reddit and fuck Spez

[–] Redvenom@retrolemmy.com 5 points 2 days ago
[–] maplesaga@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I assume you can still use a foreign VPN?

[–] MaXsteri@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Yes, and old.reddit.

If course it goes without saying, Reddit should still be avoided wherever possible.

[–] einlander@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I should be able to go to a convenience store, hand them hard cash after showing my id. And get a random credential that I can give websites.

[–] undrwater@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (21 children)

That's an interesting idea! Provides a level of abstraction, and maintains a semblance of privacy.

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[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's a distribution of Linux that is not made in the US and is not subject to these insane laws?

[–] JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone 1 points 23 hours ago

This is not done via OS.

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