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[–] mech@feddit.org 66 points 3 days ago

People be like "Oh, I'm against war" then immediately call you [insert enemy] shill if you speak up against the current one.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't buy for one second that bombing the school was a mistake. I expect it was part of the plan to stir up protests in the U.S. to further justify taking over the mid-term elections under some "emergency order".

Clearly I don't mean the entire war, they just took advantage of the opportunity to further other ends.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

Now we have to look out for false flag attacks around the country. That will be an excuse to put elections on hold

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 3 points 2 days ago

I don’t think they put that much thought into it, IMO. It was the Israelis that actually dropped the bombs, wasn’t it? They do that shit just because they hate Arabs, I don’t think they care so much about the midterms. They still believe there’s no way they’ll lose the support of Congress, no matter what public opinion in the states is. They’ve got a free pass to murder whoever they want, and they’ve had that pass ever since they attacked and jammed the communications of a US warship that was looking a little too closely at what they were doing.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

even better- be against “regime change” bombing and “defensive preemptive strike” lies too. even with no civilian deaths it’s still dumb as shit.

[–] red_tomato@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Even if there’s a change in regime, the likelihood that it will be for the better is slim. The crazy dictator will just be replaced with some other crazy dictator.

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Its almost like bombs dont make a region more stable and capable of long lasting meaningful reform

*shocked pikachu face*

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Iirc, the crazy dictator they've got is already a result of foreign interference in the first place. I might be thinking of Pakistan, or maybe it's both.

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe you're thinking of Libia, or was it Iraq? Wow this happens so often it's hard to keep track of it all.

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 1 points 2 days ago

It’s also Iran. The CIA and MI6 instigated the 1953 coup that overthrew the prime minister after he moved to nationalize the oil industry, which hurt British oil profits.

[–] DeLacue@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They don't have a plan. This cut the head of the snake strategy never works. It hasn't worked on stopping organised crime or terrorist groups. When you murder someone they are rarely replaced by someone more moderate.

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 2 points 2 days ago

That is the plan. You keep the region in chaos, and it “justifies” you being forever involved. The dictatorship in Iran is there because of a US/UK instigated coup. And a few decades from now, they’ll still be using whatever comes out of this was as justification for the next. And then, like now, they’ll blame it on anything but themselves.

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A country's sociopolitical problems are theirs to solve, not a foreign actor. This should be one of the tenets of self-determination.

[–] encelado748@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It is not always possible to do. Italy and Germany were under a brutal dictatorship. The allied intervention was needed to help moderate democratic parties, oppressed by the regime, get the necessary strength to promote positive change. There are lot of nuances to take into consideration for each country.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is a stupid take.

The Allies didn't go to war with Italy and Germany because of their internal sociopolitical problems, to instill democracy to dictatorships. They did it because The Axis were invading other countries.

If those dictatorships had kept to themselves they may have survived much longer than they did.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Now I'm not saying this applies to the current circumstance, but just talking WWII.

If they stuck to their own countries, you are probably right that no one would have done anything. But would it have been so great that there was peace as Jewish people in Germany were so brutally killed?

Intervention should not be taken lightly or unilaterally by one or two nations, but it is sonething that should be an option to save a people from "their" government.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Surely there's a middle ground between letting a murderous regime stay in power and bombing their civilians?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Well, yes, that's why I explicitly said I wasn't saying this would apply to current scenario.

[–] encelado748@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago

Are we stopping at territorial invasion (which Iran committed against UAE)? Iran is providing weapons to Russia, hezbollah, hamas, houtis and Iraqi militias. Iran is attaching ships on international waters. Iran is also active in hybrid cybernetic warfare against western countries. Where is the line you need to cross to make it justifiable to intervene?

[–] FishFace@piefed.social -1 points 3 days ago

And once the invaders had been put back into Germany, the allies just stopped at the border?

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

True, we should bring international army to Minnesota, that's what the people in Minnesota wants: freedom from oppression.

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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Some on here told me recently that that's a perfectly good reason to go bomb another country and kill its leader.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Probably 40% of the countries in the world are effectively authoritarian or dictatorships.

We’re not bombing all of them to “free” the people.

So the math is way off. It’s not about Epstein…this seems like people are inventing yet another conspiracy about this. Nobody is prosecuting trump, nobody is trying to. He’s surrounded by toadies and spineless democrats, he has the SCOTUS captured. All he has anymore is power. So therefore the likely reason for him doing what he’s doing is to keep himself in office by finding a way to stay a third term by force or by canceling midterms.

Or oil and China...

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

surrounded by toadies

What's a toady?

-Bari Weiss

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

He was a character on Neighbours.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The "Palestine is homophobic" one is especially hypocrite: unless Israel has special missiles, bombs and bullets which stop whenever they encounter a gay person, bombing Gaza kills far more gay people than homophobia in Palestine purelly because homosexuals are naturally a fraction of the civilian population being indiscriminatelly killed.

That kind of shit is "we'll kill you to protect you" hypocrisy from a murderous aggressor and only morons and murder-loving sociopaths parrot that crap.

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 8 points 2 days ago

You don’t even need to get bombs involved with it. Being gay might be legal in Israel, but that doesn’t mean the people there are fond of LGBTQ+ people. It wasn’t that long ago a teen was stoned by a mob for being lesbian.

It’s not a nation where gay people are treated equally.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 days ago

Israel itself is VERY homopohobic and virtue signals allyship with the queer community. so that justification outright doesn't hold up

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

True, but also I've had people telling me I have to 'critically support' the government of Iran, or else I'm just as guilty as if I dropped the bombs myself.

Nah, fam. I can be against two things.

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

online trolls have influence on real life flesh and blood people. that's the point of the online trolls

[–] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 1 points 2 days ago

It's true. Not arguing that. For some reason it felt like they were discussing real-life encounters. Yes, the trolls have weight, but human interaction is much stronger.

[–] belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 days ago

Yeah I don't support bombing civilians. I will however celebrate the death of IRGC members and leaders :)

[–] BlueKey@fedia.io 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Countries going against each other is part of this world (sadly). I don't care that much if they play a dumber version of chess with their military assets.
But fucking KEEP THE CIVILANS AND THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE OUT OF THIS. There is NO reason at all to bomb a school or hospital.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago

Countries going against each other is part of this world (sadly)

It's literally not, though. Who have Vietnam, China or Mexico invaded in the past decades?

I do not want to see people being killed, especially children, by war. Hell is hell and war is war, war is worse.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

You explained it, and I think most people, including most Americans, agree.

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