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Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I'd like to think it's simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.

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[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 52 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (15 children)

Simply put, they have no idea what they're talking about.

Stalin took credit for defeating Nazis (after carving up Poland with them first, but who cares about minor historical details) and was leading this big global superpower that could stand up the The Evil West (while also crushing every other leftist organization that didn't bend the knee, but again, minor details).

And from there it's a pretty simple leap to the world being divided into the Good Camp and the Bad Camp. The US is clearly in the Bad Camp (which is the part I don't argue). The USSR was against the US. Therefore it must be the Good Camp. The idea of multiple evil people opposing each other is a bit too complicated for them.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Simply put, they have no idea what they’re talking about.

Stalin took credit for defeating Nazis (after carving up Poland with them first, but who cares about minor historical details)

As I read that, it occurs, perhaps because they simply are not cognizant of, and do not cognise, any other way (e.g. any "freedom respecting" way), only their one true way. Why won't we just obey? And they keep their totalitarianising level of authoritarianism preventing them from entertaining the ideas, instead only seeing other ideas as threats, and only study them as far as they need to construct the next argument to protect the one true way, that they've identified with, and so defend as if their lives (and more) depend on it, obliterating critical, considerate, creative cognition, leaving only social dominance reflex mode....

... could be something like that.

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 25 points 4 months ago

They are basically red-painted conservatives, you could put it that way, yeah

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[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think the defense of Stalin comes at the end of a particular path that can be very appealing to people for various reasons.

One potential driver of it is that ML/Stalinist groups are not too dissimilar from a secular religion; it has a group of people ready to welcome you as a friend and ally as long as you agree to a certain worldview and a very specific reading of history from approved texts that always pose historical Maxrist-Leninists as righteous figures who didn't really do anything that bad, and if they did, it was for the greater good, and justified.

Those texts can even make a certain amount of sense if you're disillusioned with the status quo, and distrust western media. It's also likely extremely comforting to believe that while the western world is fucked up and exploitative, there are at the same time powerful allies elsewhere in the form of the AES states, which in their view are making steady progress towards the promised socialist utopia.

So ML groups can offer a feeling of belonging, friendship, a comforting worldview, and the belief that if we just follow the directions of long dead prophet-like historical figures (like Lenin or Stalin), then we will someday have heaven on earth. These are extremely appealing aspects to someone who may be very lonely, or who may have suffered a severe trauma and may not have their basic needs met (which may also be what leads to some people being attracted to the MAGA cult)

To someone well versed in history and a desire to find multiple viewpoints for a historical event to avoid propaganda bubbles, the true nature of ML/Stalinism and its authoritarianism becomes self-evident. But for those who never went down that path and are in a vulnerable state, a 'scientific' cult offering you hope, meaning, and companionship is very easy to fall into, and thus willingly self-delude themselves to attain in-group status.

Just like with normal religions/cults, once they are deep inside it, they are heavily encouraged by the in-group to suspect any outside information that challenges their narratives or isn't approved by the group, and thus the cognitive dissonance they could create if looked at more objectively can mostly be avoided.

Also similar to religions; a ML member is strongly encouraged not to have doubts about the validity of the approved sources/texts/history. If doubts are voiced, the group will attempt to re-affirm the validity of the texts (keep the faith). But if that fails and the member continues to voice doubts, they are likely to be ejected from the group, which is very traumatic for most people, but especially so if there is no other support groups to lean on. This likely results in many keeping doubts to themselves, or convincing themselves those doubts are just CIA lies, similar to how Christians try to reject their own doubts with the concept of Satan spreading lies to tempt a Christian from their faith through logic or archeology.

[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I would wager it’s as they don’t read actual historical documents of those who witnessed and survived Stalin, is why. Dude was bloody-minded as fuck, and in a tweenaged subset of the population, death, misery and degradations are “cool”.

The political flip side are the right-wing chuds that join ICE so they can tear families apart and “own” the left.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago

This combined with "America bad, anything anti-america good"

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 16 points 4 months ago

I've had multiple arguments online with people regarding the Holodomor. They all found some way to blame it on the US or claim it was overexaggerated. Which is interesting, because there is absolutely no proof of either claim. If the US had somehow found a way to starve Ukraine specificially, the Soviet Union could've fixed that quite quickly, with this little invention known as the train.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People want the world to be simple and make sense. The cold war was great for this, as it presented two simplistic idealistic world views in competition.

Some people saw through capitalism and understood that freedom in the west is not all that it's made up to be. Not wrong. But then they make the fallacy of concluding that the alternative they are presented with is good, which would be Soviet communism.

Of course many people understood that both alternatives are oppressive, but once you discover some "forbidden knowledge" it's easy to start going a bit insane and to disregard evidence that goes against your world view, because clearly there is a great conspiracy at work. If you make the mistake of arguing with radicalized people they always have some stupid anecdote that they believe serves as solid evidence of any crackpot theory they have. In this sense it's just like conspiracy theories, and it tends to be the same type of people: lonely men who feel the world has treated them unfairly.

Authoritarian-leaning people need to believe that there is a good authority out there who wants them well and that they can follow. For the authoritarians that lost faith in the west, Stalin provided a strong alternative and remains iconic among these bootlickers. Putin just doesn't offer an alternative in the same way.

[–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

lonely men who feel the world has treated them unfairly.

Authoritarian-leaning people need to believe that there is a good authority out there who wants them well and that they can follow.

So basically fascism, tankieism and authoritarianism in general could be solved with more femdom?

[–] untorquer@quokk.au 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Because they're authoritarians. They think they're leftist because they want to kill people who challenge the state inclusively.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

They're in a cult.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 18 points 4 months ago

A form of tribalism specific to the Left known as Campism where people will justify any bullshit by people who oppose "the West" in some way.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 9 points 4 months ago

I never seriously talked with a Marxist about Stalin IRL. I think we always had more important things to discuss. So I tend to think the amount of Stalin defense you see online doesnt really translate into other contexts

[–] Grainne@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago

So many .ml/hb users commenting on an anarchist comm, and predictably with the worst takes trying to defend it, pretend it doesn’t exist, or that it’s all cia.

To answer your question. I suspect because it makes them feel good. Look at how Christians love their god, despite the fact he kills people frequently for the a slightest transgression and is all around a selfish demanding prick. They ignore those parts and construct an idealised character in their head that emboldens only what they see as positive and anyone complaining is part of the out group, the enemy and as such doesn’t have a real complaint.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah idk I think it's just being edgy. Tbh more people on the left know about Stalin's crimes against humanity than Churchill's.

[–] StraponStratos@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 4 months ago

Because they have to latch onto “great men”, it helps with their simplistic cult minded tendencies to defer to authority.

[–] ozymandias@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

because online tank13s are fake and just play acting to make communists look bad

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago

I expect they're probably victims of some kind of propaganda campaign designed to discredit Marxism.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Why do so many people on the liberal side defend slavery, genocide, etc?

Libs and their fash partners literally worship racist rapists like washington, jefferson, trump, etal.

There is zero reality or justice in dealing with these creeps.

So, when people attack "stalin" for some tales that they've heard within the empire, it's completely propaganda and highly questionable. Likewise for people focused on Mao or whatever. It's just racist pale skins externalizing their own crimes. It's another example of "every accusation is a confession". It has almost nothing to do with the reality of stalin, mao, etal.

TBH any question about "tankies" can be answered by thinking about the liberals analogue. They're the same thing with different imperial branding.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I think a lot of it is that there are clear, historical examples to point to where ML/MLM idiology has been implemented and tried, whereas anarchist idiology hasn't really been implemented in any kind of large scale. Anarchy is also a tad loosly defined compared to something like Stalinism, where different anarchists will have different ideas as to what their ideal society would look like.

There is also a large amount of propaganda, both historical from countries like the USSR and modern from countries like China and North Korea that can and do influence opinions outside of their respective countries.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

whereas anarchist idiology hasn’t really been implemented in any kind of large scale

It was successfully implemented at a fairly large scale in Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, and even implemented an effective bottom-up elected military.

[–] MrNobody@quokk.au 6 points 4 months ago

That has basically nothing to do with Stalin?

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