If you think that's bad try posting on the vegan community 😆
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Anarchism and Social Ecology
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Anarchism is a social and political theory and practice that works for a free society without domination and hierarchy.
Social Ecology
Social Ecology, developed from green anarchism, is the idea that our ecological problems have their ultimate roots in our social problems. This is because the domination of nature and our ecology by humanity has its ultimate roots in the domination humanity by humans. Therefore, the solutions to our ecological problems are found by addressing our social and ecological problems simultaneously.
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Poetry and imagination must be integrated with science and technology, for we have evolved beyond an innocence that can be nourished exclusively by myths and dreams.
~ Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom
People want to treat ‘we’ll figure it out by working to get there’ as some sort of rhetorical evasion instead of being a fundamental expression of trust in the power of conscious collective effort.
~Anonymous, but quoted by Mariame Kaba, We Do This 'Til We Free Us
The end justifies the means. But what if there never is an end? All we have is means.
~Ursula K. Le Guin, The Lathe of Heaven
The assumption that what currently exists must necessarily exist is the acid that corrodes all visionary thinking.
~Murray Bookchin, "A Politics for the Twenty-First Century"
There can be no separation of the revolutionary process from the revolutionary goal. A society based on self-administration must be achieved by means of self-administration.
~Murray Bookchin, Post Scarcity Anarchism
In modern times humans have become a wolf not only to humans, but to all nature.
The ecological question is fundamentally solved as the system is repressed and a socialist social system develops. That does not mean you cannot do something for the environment right away. On the contrary, it is necessary to combine the fight for the environment with the struggle for a general social revolution...
~Abdullah Öcalan
Social ecology advances a message that calls not only for a society free of hierarchy and hierarchical sensibilities, but for an ethics that places humanity in the natural world as an agent for rendering evolution social and natural fully self-conscious.
~ Murray Bookchin
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So many lefties are pro-liberation until animal liberation comes up. Then, they immediately turn into reactionaries.
It's one of the more popular communities on the instance, and has a lot of subscribers from other instances, which brings with it a range of political opinions. As long as those opinions aren't breaking the instance rules, moderation of our communities is at the moderator's discretion.
If I had to wager a guess, it likely more of a backlash against .ml and hexbear more than anything, which are unfortunately the main ambassadors of "leftist" ideology on the fediverse. These instances legitimately make leftists look bad, to the point where it actually feels like it has come all the way back around as self parody.
Legit, hexbear feels like a goddamn 4chan psyop
It is. A big tell is their vernacular. It's not leftists. It's someone else pretending to be.
Another one is their interests or hobbies. They do not talk about these topics the same way the people they pretend to be because they are not the people they pretend to be.
I've been chronically online enough to be able to get a sense of it. They often slip. Some times it's so obvious it's a kid who is trying to copy the more adept ones.
A lot of minority subreddits on reddit are so fake too. It's 21st century blackface minstrel shows. Easy to dupe casual users. If you're chronically online long enough you can tell.
ETA: This is conspiratorial as the people who get caught all the time forgetting to switch their alt accounts. Can't reply to the mod for some reason so I guess I'm done here.
Idk man, i spend a lot of time on tumblr and have for years - and some people have spent so long in the performative space that they're actually that bad. Arguably they're not actual leftists, just (badly) aping the behaviour they think is required for approval, but that's still different from malicious intent
They don't hide it on their own boards. The right wing spaces. It's a real thing they do.
The two things we're talking about are not mutually exclusive. There are people who spent too much time in those "performative space". They get incited by agitators too. It's a clusterfuck.
There is no evidence for this and !anarchism@slrpnk.net is not the space for conspiracies like this.
Hexbear is good and most of the negative things people have to say about it are completely made up
It's super rare to have a pleasant interaction with hexbear users. And I think thats something they are proud of. To me this just really sad, because how exactly are you spreading your propaganda effectively when everyone just thinks you are annoying?
Also on hexbear users of other instances or other instances as a whole get heavily misrepresented and there seems to be no good faith when interacting with other communities that are not closely aligned in their political stance. (Of course hexbear itself also suffers from lots of misrepresentation, which probably contributes a lot to their in group / out group thinking)
Hexbears don't really make any attempt to hide the fact that they love trolling and brigading. Even the places where I align with their general ideology, I find them pretty obnoxious and juvenile. Contrary to the other user, I actually struggle to imagine how anyone who has spent any time around them could not find them annoying. The emoji spam alone is pretty cringe, and that's before you even get to the weird dunning Kruger thing they have going on with their politics.
it's super rare to have a pleasant interaction with hexbear users.
In my experience that is because it's super rare for liberals to approach socialists in good faith. They don't pleasantly interact with bad faith trolls, with transphobes, with homophobes, with racists, with misogynists, with fascists, and so on. If you were to approach them in good faith you would find nothing but pleasant interaction.
Idk about completely. They'll just straight up slobber on Putin's knob and it simply doesn't make sense without the community being compromised by a troll farm somewhere.
Xi at least has some deniability to his fascism and a hope of Da Revolushion turning a corner at some point. Putin's literally just a fascist invading his neighbors out of rank imperialism.
They’ll just straight up slobber on Putin’s knob
Yeah, this is the completely made up stuff I was talking about thanks for the demonstration. If you think anyone on hexbear is a fan of Putin you have obviously never opened the site even once.
Also if you were being homophobic like this on hexbear you'd be banned, which is the correct position to take
What part of that is homophobic?
Referring to sucking dick in an insulting way is a very common form of homophobia. The implication being that sucking dick is bad and shameful and is inherently insulting.
Arguably just as misogynistic as it is homophobic, if not more so.
Homophobia is often rooted in misogyny, so...
Sure if you completely disregard context you could interpret it as homophobic, but the way they used the insult was only to imply hexbear users are submissive towards Putin to the point of performing sexual favors for him. Not saying I agree with it, just trying to clarify and point out how you're being a bit over-zealous.
Funny how it's always sucking dick that is used pejoratively like that, just coincidentally of course.
Does putin not have peepee?
If Putin was AFAB I'm willing to accuse Hexbear of being clitsucking simpletons instead.
Your disagreement with @BlackDragon isn't going to be resolved by finding better insults. It's cringe.
Instead of doubling down on sexually derogatory language that can easily be interpreted as homophobic and misogynist, open your receipts drawer.
Who? Sounds like some guy complaining about people being mean to fascists and fascist collaborators.
If a 'fash-adjacent' person is telling you to not use homophobic language, you're probably doing something wrong.
Or I'm bi and don't care what hets think is homophobic compared to people that support a dictator genociding queers.
I've given you a 7 day ban for trolling. See you around.
That's what happens when people interact with a movement based on aesthetics and little else.
See also: Nazi Punks (Fuck Off)
The anti-left sentiment is coming primarily from outside slrpnk. Solarpunk memes is the most popular community on the instance, giving it broad reach, and lemmy is broadly liberal with a few leftist sanctuaries (the most extreme of which are defederated from the liberal instances).
The way I see it, we have a couple options. Either we can go the way of lemmy.ml or hexbear and heavily censor liberals, creating constant inter-instance drama and likely ending up defederated, or we can accept that our most popular communities will be full of liberals in the comments and treat them as a form of outreach.
I prefer the second option. For one, even though the comments are full of liberals, the posts themselves are overwhelmingly leftist, which means a lot of liberals are being exposed to leftist views. They will reject it most of the time - as most people do when confronted with views that conflict with their own - but sometimes something might stick, and that's a good thing. Also we have our smaller and more niche communities to hang out in if you want to avoid the liberals.
I would like to hear @poVoq@slrpnk.net chime in on this, as they will be the one to ultimately decide the direction of the instance.
The funny thing about Lemmy liberals is they'll agree with just about everything anti-capitalist until you actually call it anti-capitalism.
We as admins obviously have some red lines, but overall as @ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net has already commented in this thread it is up to the community moderators to steer the individual community's direction.
Overall I agree with the outreach notion, but I did notice an increase in relatively low effort liberal rage-bait "memes" being posted in our /c/memes community with predictable results in the comments (including right-wing trolling to fan the flames). I don't think those specific memes are particularly effective as outreach tools, so it would be probably beneficial to do a bit more early moderation on that part.
Yup. I see neoliberal takes ALL THE TIME on that instance, especially likely to jump down your throat if you want to be intellectually honest about the true nature of the hyper-materialistic, corporatist Democrat establishment in the US.
Slrpnk and lemmy in general is just a bunch of yuppies.
👏Fucking exactly.
Using the right pronouns to describe the homeless family that they stepped over on their way to the ATM.
Lemmy.world users: “I’m all for equal rights except when it comes to poor people or people being blown to bits by the missiles that pay for my 401K.”