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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 95 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The report: everything we were screaming into the void from 2023 till 2024.

The report is moot other than the fact they trying to bury it because anyone with two twigs to run together knows the answer, knew it before it happened, knew it while it was happening, and knows it now.

Trump was easily beatable in 2024 and Dems blew it at every turn.

You want to see the roadmap for beating Trump?

Sort c/politics by controversial and read the top five threads of comments.

It's all there in black and white, in no uncertain terms. And the shitlibs who insisted we take the worst strategy turns possible (and advocating for them in those threads)..they mostly jumped ship (santanko and squid being notable examples).

It's also worth nothing how many voices who go their analysis at the time basically correct at the time it would have mattered, how many of them are banned from politics as a whole. There was a clear moderation effort made to cultivate a specific type of conversation here.

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel really stupid asking this but how do you sort by controversial? I hit the sort button but none of them says controversial. I'm using piefed app. Sorry I'm new here.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In voyager I press the cool skull button:

[–] thethrilloftime69@feddit.online 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Thanks friend. Looks like the piefed app doesn't have this functionality. Guess it's time to change.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Next up: Dems working on secret report found Epstein and Trump were friends!

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Not just friends! Best friends! Besties!

[–] santa@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The dissent was widely known and broadcast — they chose their line. And it will cost us decades if not generations.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (10 children)

yep, I think the centrists think of it as a single lost election that they can just have a do over on next cycle. Many of the dem base voters they imagine will come back are third party for life now. People take supporting genocide pretty personally. Many on here like finitebanjo and givesomefucks want to pretend the DNC dems never supported genocide. But they did, and still do. Theres no take backsies or do overs on that.

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[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow! You mean that thing that a shitload of people were screaming warnings about has finally been heard? And only 18 months too late to do anything about it! At this rate, they might figure out that trump is a pedophile before he dies. I sure do have a lot of hope that future elections are gonna go well and totally not be ratfucked out in the open with no pushback of any actual consequence. I'm glad that there will be a stern letter threatening to file a lawsuit (that will never happen) due to armed CBP and ICE at the polls terrorizing BIPOC. Inspiring stuff, papa Schumer!

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[–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago

Huh. Maybe next time we tell them "supporting mass murder is bad even if the other side does it too" they'll listen.

They won't. They would rather lose and be controlled opposition. But one can hope for change.

[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who could have predicted supporting mass murder would look bad?

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago

Funny enough. Last week they still are.

They're still openly defending Israel.

[–] BertramDitore@lemmy.zip 34 points 1 month ago

Scoop: no fucking shit.

So exhausting.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

My surprised Pikachu meme died a while ago. Pretend I'm posting him here.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (43 children)

Yup, all those folks withheld their votes, and now Gaza is saved!

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 32 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Blaming the voters would've worked, if it weren't for those meddling kids, too!

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (14 children)

What state was going to turn if all green party voters voted Harris?

Because you can't name one, I'll proceed to the next point: it's the job of the party to court votes. That's it. They don't have another job. And when they fail in doing that, they've failed in their job.

A party blaming voters is like a sailor blaming the sea. The sea just is what it is. There is nothing any sailor or captain, or person looking from land can do to change the manner of the sea.

The voters are the way they are. You can hate the way that they are, you can wish they were different than how they are, but that doesn't not change them. We told you this in 2023. You ignored us and told us that "the voters just needed to suck it up and vote this way". But the voters didn't, because that's not how voters work. And by resisting calls for the party to change, you are doing the work of setting us up for further failure.

If you are blaming voters, an amorphous blob over which neither you, nor I, nor anyone else has control of: you are a saboteur of the effort to stop fascism.

It is politically illiterate to blame voters. When the sailors in board tell the captain "don't go that way, there are rocks", and the captain says "well the rocks better move, whose fault is it that the rocks didn't move?

[–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You can't expect the people who blindly vote for their favorite color to actually understand what an election is, let alone want to win an election.

They don't care what happens in the oval office as long as it's blue. Like how Biden didn't actually stop the cages on the border, they just ignored it until Trump was in office. And then they pretend to care again as they say all Latinos are guilty of what the DNC chose to ignore.

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[–] BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 month ago (16 children)

All the crummy neo-lib takes makes me regret having voted for it to begin with. I compromised myself for the sake of damage control and I'm furious about it. I consider a neo-liberal as no better than MAGAt because when the mask comes off, they aren't.

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[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago

no fucking shit. idiots.

[–] KiloGex@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Ya, no shit.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] orclev@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Because it proves they're incompetent.

[–] HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Wow, came up with that themselves did they?

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wut? Duh. That's literally why she lost

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 12 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Gaza is almost certainly not the only reason. We also have Latinos for Trump, the Right Wing Podcast pipeline, endemic sexism, and endemic racism to thank.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Expanding on the Latinos for Trump thing, lots of white liberals seem to be shocked at the levels of rightwing support from the Latino population. They speculate (wrongly) that it's due to Cubans in Florida; and while that group does support the right, it's not because they remember their time in Cuba and hold a grudge against communism.

No, the issue is one that has been around a long time now and has been completely ignored because most people don't speak Spanish. Almost all mainstream Spanish media, from shows, to news, to social media has been far, far, FAR right for decades now. Like, it makes Fox News look like MSNBC.

And the language barrier is a 2 part issue. Not only are English speaking liberals completely unaware of how bad the propaganda is, but people that are only fluent in Spanish don't hear any alternatives. All they get is the propaganda, there are no other sources. You tell them about the horrible stuff Trump or the GOP has done and they look at you with a blank face. They don't hear about it, because it's never reported for them. And people on Spanish social media tend not to talk about it for the same reason.

The rot is deep. Very deep. Telemundo and Univision have completely fucked the Latino populace by hiding reality from them and pushing pro-billionaire messaging.

[–] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 10 points 1 month ago

No, the issue is one that has been around a long time now and has been completely ignored because most people don’t speak Spanish. Almost all mainstream Spanish media, from shows, to news, to social media has been far, far, FAR right for decades now. Like, it makes Fox News look like MSNBC.

Aside from that, they know they have a captive audience for many of their viewers, who are unable to go fact check them by consulting English-media. This is true for monolingual Spanish speakers, but also for many folks who have learned enough English to get by in their day-to-day lives, but who are not comfortable following or discussing something more complex like politics in English.

Pretty much every time I would watch the news with my mother-in-law, if they had an interview or clip from a politician dub over into Spanish, I'd catch them engaging in some fuckery with their translations. Either they would deliberately omit parts of what was said to make the translated part sound worse, or they would choose key words where they would pick a translation that is related to a more accurate word for the English word spoken, but with a much more negative connotation to it.

They'd also ignore when right-wing conspiracy theories get debunked in English, and just keep on pushing them for months after they'd been discredited with no mention of this fact, as though they were widely held, mainstream beliefs.

Then again, white Americans who don't interact with either group very much seem to consider all Latino and Black Americans as two monolithic voting blocks, ignoring the reality of the many different cultures, national backgrounds and ethnicities that comprise either group. Lots of white people just think of them as solid, unreachable Democratic voters, for some reason. There are plenty of people in either group who the Democrats can't reach, because despite agreeing with the rest of a Democrat or Progressive platforms, they hold deeply conservative religious or cultural beliefs on abortion and sexuality. Like, I hear people saying "¡Maricón!" on the daily more often than I heard edgy kids dropping the f-word on the middle school playground back in the day, and nobody bats an eye because rampant homophobia is still a cultural given in a lot of places, unfortunately. If you actually interact with any people of color on a regular basis, it's probably not as surprising to see how the right can pull in greater numbers of POC by playing to the right themes for those deeply held views and prejudices.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 15 points 4 weeks ago (14 children)

But the Democrats said they had to support genocide for the voters.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

"Secret report" We have known this....

[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Could you guys fucking work on something useful instead of secret reports?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

They could work on non-secret reports that would actually result in better strategy, but that would not only be embarrassing but also disrupt the corporate donation gravy train.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Uh duh? And also just one of many, many things that her campaign screwed up.

Like backing away from going after price gouging corporation and ignoring the economic reality of the Average American and speaking of the recovery and inflation reduction in the academic abstract instead of to the average sixth grade reading level American.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 13 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Theuniparty requires unconditional support for Israel

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why would anyone waste their time studying something that's blatantly obvious?

Can someone conduct a study to confirm that hot is hot and cold is cold?

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cause they get to pay themselves millions of donated dollars to do this study and then get paid millions more to come up with an Ad campaign to "fix" it

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 month ago

C'mon, surely someone with access wants to leak that shit.

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