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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 minutes ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

This all stems from a fundamental misunderstanding that no one seems to be interested in clearing up.

The original post that brought the allegations of feddit being zionist to more people is this one, and the one that originated the allegations is this one.

The feddit.org admin inside explicitly states that the removal of the comment being talked about by the original thread is not about pro-zionism or anti-semitism.

Now what does the person claim it is about? That seems to be majorly ignored. Let me rephrase it in my own words.

In Germany, after national socialism, we have very strict rules on how you are allowed to talk about it, because there were unfortunately a lot of people still denying it or not believing it. One of those rules is that no statement may be made that makes national socialism seem better than it was. So something you can't say for example is "Trump's ICE is national socialism!". This seems extremely weird from an outside (the person saying it's) perspective, because obviously, yes, the tactics Trump uses are directly borrowed from national socialism.

However, if you look at national socialism as a whole, it was much worse than just ICE. Millions were killed etc.

Now, the person who makes the statement "Trump's ICE is national socialism!" is obviously using it to express that ICE is terrible. But if you want to look at it from a certain way (which German law likes to do) it's also saying that they're roughly equal, which, since Trump and ICE is currently not quite at the level of full national socialism, would minimize the severity of national socialism by bringing it "down" to the same level as the Trump regime and ICE.

Obviously, from a perspective of a person today, this seems ridiculous, because the current threat is ICE and not national socialism, so who cares about "how national socialism is talked about exactly"?! Isn't it much more important to make sure that ICE is taken appropriately seriously? And you would of course be right. But the stance is that the ends do not justify the means, and it is very much possible to fight against ICE without comparing it to the whole of national socialism.

This is what is being talked about by the mods/admins. It has nothing to do with either anti-semitism or anti-zionism.

Now, if you say something like "Trump's ICE resembles early national socialism!", that is a completely fine statement to make in the eyes of the law. You are actually comparing ICE to what it actually is, "early [stages of] national socialism", and not "national socialism [in general]".

Feelings are running high, even as I type these words, I can imagine it. But please try to think about this stance for a moment and try to see that it is not Trump ICE apologist, or trying to minimize what ICE is doing. It is simply trying to pay heed to two important issues at the same time, of which one has much more immediacy and current real impact on people's lives than the other.

I used this ICE example on purpose because it is even nearer than the genocide in Gaza. And because it is farther away from "full national socialism style genocide". I hope I could make the thinking in this example clear, and I hope at least a modicum of rationality can be attributed to this.

And now let's go back to the original zionist accusations. The original comment was removed because of the last part of it, which said "Providing material support to Israel is no different from providing material support to Nazi Germany". As much as people don't want to see it, the situation in Gaza is actually different than the situation in Nazi Germany. The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful. In Gaza, there is genocide happening, there is a power differential, and Palestinians need to fight back, but there is simply no rational denying that it's not the same as the genocide in Nazi Germany.

Obviously what is happening in Gaza is terrible and Israel needs to be condemned, but what they're doing is still not on the same level of evil as Nazi Germany. And thus you could argue that comparing the situation in Gaza to national socialism is minimizing the severity of national socialism. And thus the same kind of argument applies as in the previous example with ICE, it just is even less understandable for a person who didn't know/understand/agree with this argument.

I'm basically sure I'll be condemned as a zionist now, or whatever, go ahead.

[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 11 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

That's why I left. Its such a weird authoritarian way of dealing with stuff. Just ban everything and everyone you don't agree with. Also make it a collective punishment while we're at it...

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 15 minutes ago

That's literally the best and fairest way to deal with that kind of stuff here. No risky permissivity, no manhunts / withchunts, no putting the onus on other people. db0 as an instance is weird for a lot of thigs, but honestly, compared to the rest of the world, not on that.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 46 minutes ago

I don't particularly love db0 as a mainly hexbear user, but this is ridiculous. They did an absolutely gorgeous move by democratically voting to defed from Zionist instances, and you call that authoritarian. Defense against fascists is not authoritarian, it's literally the opposite.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It's authoritarian to do direct democracy? OK then, I guess words mean nothing anymore.

[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The vote itself is not. This is not just about this single vote.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 hour ago

What is it about then?

[–] seawoowaes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

They really lost the plot when they joined the tankie triad.

[–] Tywele@piefed.social 13 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

This solidifies my decision for migrating my account from there to piefed.social. Not because I support those views but because this means that many of the communities I’m subscribed to won’t be visible anymore from there. Personally I’ve not seen the problem in the mentioned communities but I also don’t actively participate in deep political discussions especially regarding Israel/Palestine since I don’t have the energy for that.

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 12 minutes ago

You know you can just have multiple accounts on multiple instances, right? That gets you just about as full a view on the Fediverse as you might want. Heck, the only reason I'm not doing it is because I'm lazy.

Also, whining about db0 then moving to the instance that literally implements CCP politics and shadow profiling and comes from a dev known to have had a chip against heteronormativity and weirdness (if not against neurodivergence) is... not the win you think it is.

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 1 points 41 minutes ago

This solidifies my decision for migrating my account from there to piefed.social

but I also don’t actively participate in deep political discussions especially regarding Israel/Palestine

Showing your true colours here. By the way, it's not "political discussions regarding Israel/Palestine", call it by its name: genocide of Palestinians by Israel.

[–] seawoowaes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

lol so you join the place with the social credit score

[–] lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 14 minutes ago

Oooh the irony!

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 55 minutes ago (1 children)

piefed.social keeps a hidden trust score that goes down when people do stuff the piefed dev personally doesn't like. there was recently a bunch of drama about it

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

It's literally just a number admins can use to sus out if a user might potentially be a toll. It's basically reddit karma but hidden from everyone but admins.

.ml users tried to make it a big deal because people were leaving lemmy for PieFed.

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 8 points 3 hours ago

The only issue with defederation from the ZioNazi bar is that I can't see if they're crying in here.

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[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 0 points 39 minutes ago

"I was just obeying the German laws" was not a credible defense in the Nürnberg trials, why are you repeating the same logic as the Nazis?

[–] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think this is a stupid move, but it shows the shitty mindset, that evolved on db0. Bye!

[–] Riverside@reddthat.com 2 points 40 minutes ago

The shitty mindset of checks notes not wanting Zionist fascists in a queer-friendly online space.

Showing your true colours here.

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