A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 82 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Its such an empty criticism when they federate with the ml instances.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I don't get it. Huh? I find sentiment on .ml extremely anti-Zionist.

[–] neatchee@piefed.social 52 points 3 months ago (1 children)

they didn't say it was hypocritical, just empty criticism. They are implying that ml instances are no less egregious about the types of bad content they allow, even if the content itself is different

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social -3 points 3 months ago

"B-b-but my side virtuous (in all ways, and can do no wrong), while their side ignoramus (everything they do is because they are poopy-heads)!"

I wish I could add /s here but a good half the population on earth seems to hold to this as an invariant position, solidarity in the face of all obstacles, i.e. the Nazi bar effect.

Case in point: who doesn't love it when a religious institution offers food and shelter and medical care to the needy, or counsels people to forgive, laying down their burdens and seek therapy to thereby travel lighter through the world? It is the diddling kids part that for some strange reason (/s on this one) people tend to get upset?

Since we were talking about Zionism here, I will mention that Deuteronomy 13:5 (in the Torah, part of the Old Testament for Christian and Muslim and offshoot religious branches such as Mormonism) provides an EXTREMELY stern warning about those who would misuse their authority to lead people astray.

TLDR: intolerance paradox - if you tolerate the intolerant, it corrupts the entire system, giving it a bad reputation when people see the worst excesses and extrapolate that to infer the properties of the whole. e.g. Reddit is fascist, hence we did not stay and put up with it but rather moved here.

[–] pilferjinx@piefed.social 36 points 3 months ago

They're pretty anti zionist. Only because Israel represents the west in all its brutality. They fully support the Russian invasion and genocide of Ukraine though, hence the hypocrisy.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago

I think they're talking about stuff like the holodomor or the uyghurs in china.

[–] monkeyjoe@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Please find the open Zionist admins and mods of major communities who are from .ml. They have their own issues, but Zionism isn't one of them.

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[–] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

“People supporting “Israel”, the Zionist entity enacting genocide on Palestinians, are identical to “People supporting “Russia”, the Fascist entity enacting genocide on Ukranians

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[–] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Russia is, in fact, enacting genocide in Ukraine.

What Russia is doing:

Tens of thousands of children are being abducted, stripped of their identity, and taught to hate their homeland
https://thewalrus.ca/ukrainian-children/

Definition of Genocide:

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

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[–] Loco_Mex@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The ICC has an arrest warrant on Putin for these abductions.

Putin has used a ukaz/presidential decree to streamline the process of Ukrainian children being made Russian.

Here's your Independent Journalistic Report:

“It happens, for example, that they go with their parents from the occupied territories through Russia to some third countries. Russians can detain parents, arrest, put them in prison, just take their child to their boarding school. Like, go where you wanted, but your child will stay with us. There are cases when Russians enter a house somewhere in the occupied territory, the child tells them that he lives with his mother, who just went to the store or for water, but they take this child, actually kidnap him, and he finds himself in Russia. I am not talking about the so-called evacuation of children's boarding institutions from the occupied territories to Russia - this is a separate pain, "says Daria Kasyanova.

But sure, keep telling the world it's only Ukrainian propaganda. I'm ending this conversation here to log off, I've got better things to do than deal with a debatebro hexbear user trying to excuse genocide.

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[–] nat1@ttrpg.network 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

So the person who believes Soviet documentation, will turn around and not believe Ukrainian documentation. How convenient this makes your genocide denial.

You even mention the site showing where you can browse the tens of thousands of missing Ukrainian children, and see the ones who have been returned. You can go find testimonials from those returned children, but still you believe Russian war time propaganda over that.

The utter arrogance and hate to call these unjustified claims when they are backed up by evidence is astounding, but one should expect no less from someone so ideologically driven to manipulate and distort to fit their narrative.

[–] CybranM@feddit.nu 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"The source for the crime is, unsurprisingly, the victim, the criminal is denying any wrongdoing" hmmm

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Nice try but the USSR sided with the Nazis remember. They dont get any credit.

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[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I love a wall of text as much as the next autist but im going to be a low effort in my response because I fucking hate having this conversation with tankies because its always so bad faith.

First of all I need to clear up that I dont think USSR sided with the Nazi's because they supported Nazi ideology. I'm saying they dont get any credit for joining the war or fighting against hilter because they choose to side with him and support his war effort and only joined because they were backstabbed.

Ok so to sum up you're point you're saying that the USSR did the most to fight against nazi germany because they sold weapons to the anti facists in the spanish civil war and one of their westernized diplomats proposed a collective security agreement and they offered to send 1 million troops to france(this would never happen) and said they would support chzek despite having no land border. Then you give 4 paragraphs coping about soviet invasions. No mention of the

You're ignoring historical context surrounding the USSR and then acting surprised at other countries reactions. I dont think any of what you've said really negates them signing an agreement with Hilter to divide up the east and provide support to Hitler's war effort.