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[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 150 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m sure this had nothing to do with it, yeah? Fuck the PedoNazis and the Swasticar company.

[–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In fairness, none of those countries liked the Romans, so...

[–] homes@piefed.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

And as the Visigoths ransacked Rome, Emperor Honorius was heard yelling, “not my Cybertruck!“

[–] bolditalicroman@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah, what a time to be alive: Pedo nazis are trying to take over the U.S. (and other parts of the world), and we‘re driving around in swasticars. Sounds like the plot of some 80‘s movie, but somehow it’s the reality we live in. And, somehow, where I live (central Europe), people are still voting for right-wing parties, seeing what is happening, seeing history repeating itself. This ignorance is infathomable to me, and I can only hope that either we will never suffer the consequences of what we‘re voting for or we learn it for real this time.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Pedo nazis are trying to take over the U.S.

Alas, not sure about "trying", but yes.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 114 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Tesla global sales by year compared to Ford and Toyota

The incredible thing isn't the slight down tick in sales last year (on par with most international car companies), but that Tesla has a market cap that exceeds both of these mega-manufacturers despite being dwarfed in both assets and revenues.

On paper, they have so much farther to fall than what these short term sales shortfalls imply. But then this is a car company that's defied gravity for a decade. Consider that each vehicle Tesla sells reflects $700k - $1M in market cap. On a $60k-$110k vehicle.

All their valuation is predicated on future predicted returns on the technology rather than current sales figures. And I don't know when that will actually change.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's very clear that at this point, insofar as there is any logic at all to the decision making of people investing in Tesla (and there's very little evidence of that), they're evaluating it as a software company, not a car company.

This seems to be largely based on the notion that Tesla is the world leader in self-driving, and poised to become the world leader in other areas of automation. And that would, admittedly, mostly justify their very high share price, if there was literally any evidence it was true. Of course, what they actually have is a self-driving system that is only number one in fatalities caused, and a bunch of faked demos of robots made using low paid remote operators.

Tesla is easily the single best demonstration of how fucked our economic system really is. That a company can so blatantly lie, over and over, about what their products can actually do, and somehow continue to see their share price increase tells you everything you need to know about how utterly fictitious the entire notion of the stock market is.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

they’re evaluating it as a software company, not a car company.

That still doesn't justify the valuation. Tesla's market cap is 3x Oracle's, ffs. It's half of a Microsoft. No software they produce can justify this valuation.

Palantir and NVIDIA have the same hyper-inflated position. Nothing in their projected revenue figures can explain their company's valuation, unless you're just hand-waving and predicting 10-20x growth over the next decade.

Tesla is easily the single best demonstration of how fucked our economic system really is. That a company can so blatantly lie, over and over, about what their products can actually do, and somehow continue to see their share price increase tells you everything you need to know about how utterly fictitious the entire notion of the stock market is.

Warren Buffet definitely gearing up to print off another deck of "Fell For It Again" awards. Only question is when they get handed out.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

unless you're just hand-waving and predicting 10-20x growth over the next decade.

That's exactly what they're doing.

The problem is that hyper-advanced automation is essentially unpriceable. When your potential market penetration is "replace all human labour" your profit potential is infinite.

The real is issue is not how they're pricing the potential upside, its that none of these companies have remotely demonstrated that they have the ability to actually produce that upside. It's an entire industry shilling a fantasy on the back of some very impressive sales demos.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The problem is that hyper-advanced automation is essentially unpriceable.

I mean, I could point you to a few economics journalists who would argue otherwise. Ed Zitron's been screaming about the downfall of AI for the last two years straight.

But the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent, as the saying goes.

It’s an entire industry shilling a fantasy on the back of some very impressive sales demos.

Doesn't hurt to have a bunch of tech-friendly goobers running state and federal governments who are turning out the taxpayer's wallet to finance these hallucinations.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I mean, I could point you to a few economics journalists who would argue otherwise. Ed Zitron’s been screaming about the downfall of AI for the last two years straight.

I feel like you're only reading every other sentence of what I say. In this instance, you seem to have fixated on this part, but sailed right past the part where I said that there's zero evidence that anyone can actually produce hyper-advanced automation. I never argued that it was a rational decision to go all in on this possibility, and that's entirely clear from my previous comments.

Ed Zitron is completely correct, but he's also making exactly the same argument I am; that these people cannot actually achieve the technological revolution they are promising. That doesn't change the fact that, if their wish granting genie was real, it would basically have unlimited upside. The problem is not how they're pricing the outcome, the problem is how they're evaluating the probability of achieving the outcome.

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[–] cogman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s very clear that at this point, insofar as there is any logic at all to the decision making of people investing in Tesla (and there’s very little evidence of that), they’re evaluating it as a software company, not a car company.

Nah, the logic to the decision is that other people are buying a lot of tesla stock and the price keeps going up. It's very nearly a ponzi scheme. It has value completely detached to what the company is doing. It's tulips, crypto, beanie babies. Most institutional investors realizes this, they also are trying to get in and get out without holding the bag.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think the 3 things Tesla has/had going for them was...

  1. Car sales growth. The had some pretty ridiculous growth in sales for a few years there.

  2. Captive Market. Pretty much everyone I know with a Tesla charges at home, or at a Tesla supercharger. They've got the Apple ecosystem lock in for the "fuel" you put in the car. This walled garden approach basically lets Apple print money.

  3. Technology. FSD, autopilot, and manufacturing. Tesla presented as a very tech focused company that was dumping money into R&D similar to how Amazon built up in the early 2000s. Investors love companies that are poised to control the entire market in the future.

Pretty much all 3 of these pillars have collapsed now. Their car sales are in a huge global slump. More cars are available that can charge on other charging networks, and those charging networks get bigger and better every day. Elon's FSD is basically vaporware at this point, and the high degree of automation Tesla was touting in their factories came back to bite them in the ass.

This leads to my favorite recent quote about stocks though... "The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent." Let's face it, Tesla stock is a bubble, AI is a huge bubble. The problem isn't knowing that there is a bubble, the problem is knowing when that bubble is going to burst.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

One thing you're missing is that about 1/3 of Tesla's profits were from selling carbon credits to other manufacturers. That disappeared recently also.

It’s honestly quite unhinged when you look at how much each vehicle contributes to their market cap.

[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What a beautiful way to present the situation.

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago

Tesla stock price is a load of crap, pushed up solely by Elon chuds.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

List of stuff that I can't accept from a vehicle:

  • If it's created by a Nazi
  • If the gear selector is on a touchscreen
  • If the blinkers are on a touch button
  • If the wipers are on a menu on a touchscreen
  • If it has no support for Android auto or carplay
  • If it requires a subscription for something that is already present at moment of purchase or is done locally by the headunit
  • If the doors don't have a mechanical unlock from outside or inside (no, the mechanical unlock from inside it's too hidden to be considered, in case of emergency nobody will be able to find it before being burned alive - even in a hidden room game they don't hide levers under rubber mats in drawers)
[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well at point one, you’ve lost Volkswagen

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mercedes and BMW both worked for Hitler, even Porsche.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Volkswagen also does subscription for heated seats

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[–] LordR@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We should get those numbers lower. Every Tesla is one too much.

[–] Lembot_0006@programming.dev 17 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Higher is better in this case. 100% preferably.

[–] starik@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump could get them down 500% or even 700%

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[–] LordR@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Well, I meant the number of sold cars. But yes, a 100% reduction would be great!

[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

No worries! The stock price keeps going up, so it doesn't matter how many cars Tesla actually sells.

[–] Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Means that too many people are still buying teslas though.

My friend has one. When I saw her I asked if she knew there was dog shit on her drive. She came out and asked where. Wasn't hapoy when I pointed at her tesla.

[–] metermatic26@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Attaboy, make her regret it every second you’re around

[–] Species8472@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When she asked you if you think that was funny, did you reply with "heil no"?

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[–] kubok@fedia.io 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

My heart goes out to Musk....

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder has that super genius figured out it was his fault yet? Just kidding he is a narcissist. They never blame themselves for their problems.

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[–] LordMayor@piefed.social 29 points 2 weeks ago

Any company with a functional board of directors would have fired the CEO yesterday.

This is not a legitimate business. Institutional investors should be running away from this company.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tesla cars also fail the mandatory safety inspections in Europe at an alarming rate. That's not a good look when buying a new car.

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[–] fierysparrow89@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Off-topic, but...

it occurred to me the other day that Tesla (the actual person) has been exploited by Edison in real life. A century later his name is exploited yet again by another "genius inventor". I just feel bad for the guy.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yaaaaaay.

Does this mean we can get the real "Tesla"s soon?

Nikola Tesla style tech, not Tesla Corporation style tech. Emanipatory tech, not rentier tech. Spaceships for everybody, not cars and rockets for the rich enough.

No? It doesn't mean that? Aw.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Their bubble is slowly leaking, and it will never inflate again. Tesla will be bankrupt in 3 years.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

There are plenty of MAGA sheep, plus Teslas still seem to be super popular among the transplants from India in my area to keep the company around for a long time. SpaceX & Starlink have essentially no competition and Musk will just pivot.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago
[–] motruck@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Musk fucked around and found out.

TBF I'm pretty sure that cheap Chinese EVs are a pretty big factor here. Of course, all the nazi shit doesn't help.

[–] OleFoFa@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd like to see this article's sources for the Norwegian sales number. Unfortunately, most other sources point to an about 40% increase in Tesla sales here last year. I generally like my country's adoption of evs (I'm on my third), but the fact that the muskrat keeps selling cars in norway massively bugs me :/

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[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I am sure this is what Rubio meant when he said that they "need Europe to help save the West" the other day. Right?

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I see more BYDs in my country's streets.

[–] dxgsthrr@feddit.uk 8 points 2 weeks ago

The FY2025 vs FY2024 numbers were plenty damning. Comparing January 2026 to previous Januaries is kinda silly given how much monthly fluctuation there is, and how few markets actually report on Monthly numbers

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Look. I know Norway be cool in this, but I'm actually kind of shocked at just 93%.

Edit: Though, looking at the figures, makes sense. Business as usual if you don't consider the one-off spike they're comparing to to get that figured.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Don't you know that Tesla will be building a Dyson Sphere together with SpaceX at a 100 Morbillion valuation? Who cares about cars?

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