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The main issue is you'll never get the cretins that use it off it. Communities.. they're just sitting there burning the library of alexandria.. all the esoteric knowledge they're "putting on discord" is just gonna vanish.
over a billion in vc funding and discord is as shit as it is.
As an archivist and data hoarder I hate discord with a burning, visceral passion.
It's funny you mention the VC funding. As far as I can tell, it's only made it worse. Discord would have done great if they just kept expectations low. Instead, they're now expected to create massive returns. That must come at the cost of consumers. I hope consumers get tired of it and leave, or someone else comes offering the simple service Discord used to provide.
matrix is unreasonably hard to set-up, why doesnt the docker container or the compose include voice chat? i cant even sign up for stoat to try it out.. is this the best we have against discord in the big 26 😭
Voice chat works out of the box with Matrix.
It uses WebRTC and tries to do P2P connections. Note that this leaks your IP to the other caller and vice versa, but it's also quite fast as you can establish a direct connection.
If P2P fails it will try to fallback to your configured TURN server and use that one for relaying.
However not every instance has one (as TURN servers are usually not that modern and straight forward...) and if this is the case it will fallback to Matrix's global TURN servers.
XMPP is also still a thing and IMO much easier to host (at least ejabberd is). Look into Movim, which looks quite nice as a discord replacement on top of XMPP.
I‘ve been looking into this a bit and whilst i haven’t really tried any of the alternatives, i did collect some notes:
please let me know what y’all think
Most of the possible contenders lack video calls and some also other needs mentioned by the OP. Nextcloud Talk has them all
There another thread about discord requiring a face scan next month,so I think alternatives might start getting pushed.
Such as https://stoat.chat/
Edit: Not sure you can self-host it, but it does have a back end server listed in it's source code with a docker, however it might just be for code testing.
Right RTFM... https://github.com/stoatchat/self-hosted yes you can self-hosted it.
To create an invite you:
# drop into mongo shell
docker compose exec database mongosh
# create the invite
use revolt
db.invites.insertOne({ _id: "enter_an_invite_code_here" })
That's pretty jank.
Also - I'm getting pretty fed-up with self-hosting documentation that assumes very specific environments and goes into detailed configuration for that environment. Don't tell me how to setup a server and how to enable/configure SSH and setup UFW as part of setting up your software. Just tell me how to setup your software and what ports it uses.
Wait, requiring a face scan of everyone?? I know they started doing that as an age verification thing for some people, but everyone?
Check out https://stoat.chat/, it's the closest self hostable group communications platform to Discord.
Just a fair warning in reply to this that the self-hosted version of Stoat doesn't currently have voice chat. It's an open issue that's currently paused until they can finish their rework.
If you have the skill for it, it seems like you can patch work the existing voice chat back in, but it's not part of their initial setup and there's no instructions on how to do so properly
Link to their voice chat implementatoon.
Looks like you can enable it on self hosted version. Probably worth someone trying it out personally. Before giving up on stoat.
sadly, it's a little more complex than just enabling it. The supported self host deployment uses docker, and the docker containers that are available don't contain the interfaces for voice or video calling as they are not up to date.
If I understand it right, to enable it would mean you need to either pull the source yourself and run it off of docker, or make a custom docker image using a version of stoat web that contains the ability to do voice calls.
reading the draft of the linked issue, it looks like the author isn't doing voice call for the reason that they don't know the proper way to integrate it into the docker image.
So to answer it: yes it looks like you can use voice servers on the current self hosted model, but you can't use pre-existing docker images, and it will require you to manually add the new web UI in and patch where needed.
Honestly the name choice adds difficulty in getting friends to take it seriously. Why did they pick "stoat"
Nowadays everyone accepted the name "Discord" but I think it's a pretty poor choice of branding too.
A communication app called Discord is pretty weird too.
A stoat is a pretty cool animal.
I think without prior knowledge of any voice chat Discord would probably rate worse in perception than Stoat.
No clue! It was revolt before. I think they had trademark issues with that name. What's wrong with stoat?
I was wondering why I want getting any updates, checked thegithub a few months ago and found out they rebranded. Haven't had a chance to try the latest version out yet
you mean unlike the tools discord has replaced, such as "mumble", "ventrilo", "roger wilco" and "trillian"?
Back in my day, (shakes cane), Teamspeak and Ventrillo were the big voice chat platforms/tools. Both have text chat and channels/rooms; but their focus is voice chat for gaming.
What's that you say? IRC?
Matrix?
Surprised no one has said it yet, but matrix.
Matrix hoster here.
I would recommend Matrix as it has pretty much everything, including cross platform clients, threads, voice/video calls, screensharing, spaces (aka servers), federation and E2EE. Matrix also has bridges for Discord and pretty much every other service so this could ease transition...
But self hosting requires reading the docs and having some in depth knowledge and understanding as it can be quite complex.
I would recommend just creating a Matrix account on one of the common global servers and testing it.
If you want to self-host there are some pre-defined setups available (example) but I would still recommend to bring at least 5-10 hours.
Regarding operations: It's really resilient and barely ever breaks and also doesn't need a lot of resources. A 1-2vCPU server with under 1GB RAM server is enough for less than 10 people.
You se knowledgeable on this, so I hope you'll allow me to ask this.
I don't know anything about Discord, but I selfhost the Mattermost chat system for my family. They, too, are narrowing the free tier.
Can Matrix replace Mattermost for a family? Several separate "rooms" for various topics, plus 1-to-1 chats.
IRC, RocketChat, Slack. Technically Matrix, but for your usecase I wouldn't recommend it, as it's a bit heavy, and if you're just planning on using it with other people on the same server there's not a point.
EDIT: Just noticed the voice chat thing. I've used Jitsi for that, and it works well. Also self-hostable
Jitsi is great as a Skype/Zoom replacement. It's not a 'room' on a server, but voice and video chats are stable and fast.
https://github.com/spacebarchat/spacebarchat
Literally reverse engineered discord, made open source.
The Mastodon founder, Eugen Rochko, has just announced that "We’ve moved our internal communications from Discord to Zulip at Mastodon".
https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/116041405748460511
Zulip is probably more focused toward work than TTRPGs, but it can't hurt to try it. (I haven't tried it personally, yet.) It is self-hostable.
Zulip is great… on a PC. On mobile is a totally different thing, and not in a good way. 😕
XMPP aka Jabber.
Yeah, we're using Conversations and it's fine for most things.
Will be self hosting prosidy "sooon"... and it'll all be in-house.
My guess is that it would be difficult to find a piece of software that does all the stuff discord does. But I also think it's a non-issue. You could split these needs onto multiple solutions. My group uses mumble for gaming voicechat, Signal for group conversations, and a simple rtmp server for streaming. We don't need nor use discord and never did.
I like the idea of a single piece of software that does one job well instead of a giant powerhouse that does everything.
I still use IRC. There are now modern web clients like The Lounge or Convos that can display/share images in the channels, keep history and push notifications. Apparently Convos can do video chat but I never tried it. Unfortunately I'm not aware of screen sharing features for any of these.
So on a very simple setup, you need an IRC server, then install and connect one of those clients to your server, and use them through a web browser, either on a computer or on a phone.
It's obviously not entirely Discord-like, but it is a simple way to chat and share images.
Matrix is an option but it’s slow and breaks all the time. I’m a big fan of XMPP myself but good luck convincing anyone else to make an account 😔
Dont knock matrix for being slow, it updates just as fast as anyone else's network speed is and it is focused on encryption and security. Given [gestures broadly to everything these days] people moving away from major platforms should really take into account their digital footprint and privacy.
We switched to element (matrix-protocol) a while ago. Until now it worked fine for us - without any real problems. It already got a native voice/video-call implementation. But i heard that selfhosting isnt that smooth
I would take a look at TeamSpeak or Matrix.
Of the two Matrix is probably the closest to Discord.
I replaced Discord(and Whatsapp) with Matrix/Element as voice chat (and general chat) with my wife. I remember running it with Docker was bit annoying to set up (I was selfhosting beginner when first doing it now it could be easier), but with Yunohost it is one click install (if you are willing with swap operating server).
Nextcloud Talk could work for your needs, but I have not personally used it so hard to recommend it.
Something that wasn't posted here yet but I just got told about: https://fluxer.app/
A chat platform that answers to you, not investors. It's ad-free, open source, community-funded, and never sells your data or nags you with upgrade pop-ups.
Over time, we'd love to explore optional monetisation tools that help creators and communities earn, with a small, transparent fee that keeps the app sustainable.
teamspeak6 is in beta right now but it is my replacement for discord. Check it out, supports most anything people have used disc for
