this post was submitted on 06 Feb 2026
736 points (99.3% liked)

Fuck Cars

15534 readers
59 users here now

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!

Rules

1. Be CivilYou may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.

2. No hate speechDon't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.

3. Don't harass peopleDon't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.

4. Stay on topicThis community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.

5. No repostsDo not repost content that has already been posted in this community.

Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.

Posting Guidelines

In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:

Recommended communities:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] akilou@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They plow them too. Same city, different street, this week:

[–] heiligerbimbam@lemmy.wtf 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wow, here in Germany, the bike path has to be cleared by the residents in many places. You can imagine how well that works. In other words: I've been driving my car instead of riding my bike for the last 3 weeks.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Just move to Slovenia. We don't get snow anymore anyway. ಥ⁠‿⁠ಥ

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] macke49@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago (5 children)

You a normal bicycle road in the Netherlands in every town. All equipped with own traffic signs and own traffic lights. Even with broader bicycle expressways cross country between towns.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Yeah but those would never work in American because our needs are special. We’re “special needs” /s

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Post pics! It's not that I don't believe you, I just want to be more depressed with my country

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I'm not the person you're replying to but here's one:

You can just do an image search for "Netherlands separated cycle lane" to see a bunch more.

Here are some videos about road design in the Netherlands you might find interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aNtsWvNYKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlApbxLz6pA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1l75QqRR48

[–] tyler@programming.dev 14 points 2 months ago

I can guarantee at least one of those links is NotJustBikes without even clicking on them.

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Thanks, super depressing! Even if we had the design of the second video drivers would pass the white line and crosswalk and wait in the bike lane to make a turn. Or to just stop when going straight. I hate it here

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

and own traffic lights

To make sure I’m understanding correctly, so many people ride bikes that the bike only lanes need traffic lights? I knew the Netherlands had a reputation as a very bike-heavy culture, but I honestly had no idea bike traffic could get that congested outside events.

[–] BorgDrone@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago

Bike only lanes are often next to car lanes, at crossings there are separate lights for the bike lanes so they either don’t cross at the same time as cars, or they cross together with cars in a direction where the car and bike traffic don’t cross each other.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Here's a video from Utrecht

And another

And another (if it works for you — iirc it did for me previously)

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] beetus@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

It's frustrating how many comments are focused on comparisons to the NL. When someone does something hard that was easy for you, do you gloat or do you celebrate their efforts?

Everyone in this community knows that NL has amazing bike infra and this is normal (and better) there.

Hope to see more permanent protected bike lanes in the US. Thanks for sharing OP

[–] angelmountain@lemy.nl 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah so this wasn't easy for the Netherlands either. They just started trying earlier, so they had more time to fail and try again. This would maybe not fly anymore in a newly designed street in the NLs now, but it sure as heck looks a lot like some older roads in the Hague that are still waiting on their update to the new guidelines.

So well done guys, you are def. going in the right direction with this 🙏.

The only thing you could maybe argue is why they are not just asking for a bit of help from a Dutch road designer during the design process. I mean, the knowledge is all there already, why not use it? 😉

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And it isn't like it's hidden behind closed doors. They literally have the manuals available online for anyone to access it

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Do you have then at hand? I tried looking for them a while ago and couldn't find it

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

PDF alert, almost every link will lead to a PDF

Amsterdam's Red Book (Handboek Rood), with design standards for street design, and Green Book (Handboek Groen), with standards for street vegetation (only in Dutch):
https://openresearch.amsterdam/nl/page/108424/puccini-methode-handboeken-rood-i-en-ii-en-handboek-groen

Oslo also made their manual available, look for the file "Street-design-manual_ENG" for the english version:
https://www.oslo.kommune.no/gate-transport-og-parkering/veiarbeid-og-vedlikehold/gatenormal-og-normark/

Copenhagen also has it in great details here (Some in Eng, others in Danish):
https://urbandevelopmentcph.kk.dk/mobility-cycling/copenhagen-the-best-cycling-city-in-the-world

Highlights to:
Good, better, best. The city of Copenhagen’s bicycle strategy 2011-2025
https://kk.sites.itera.dk/apps/kk_pub2/index.asp?mode=detalje&id=823

Cycle-Friendly Infrastructure 2024 - Design standards for cycle and road projects in the City of Copenhagen
https://kk.sites.itera.dk/apps/kk_pub2/index.asp?mode=detalje&id=2947

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 7 points 2 months ago

From the Netherlands myself. I'm always really happy to see improvements like this elsewhere. I know what it looks like in other countries.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Praxinoscope@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I used to live in Somerville! Good town.

I also had my arm broken by a reckless driver hit and run on my bike there, so I'm happy to see bike infrastructure improving a bit.

[–] Zidane@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

Any improvement is good improvement. All of the "that's it?" comments are wild

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

In my country this is “standard” bike lane.

[–] heiligerbimbam@lemmy.wtf 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] atro_city@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It'd be red and very distinguishable from the rest of the road

[–] toothpaste_sandwich@thebrainbin.org 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Right? What's up with all these regular-road-coloured bicycle paths in other countries?

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Costs, they can't spare another dime on it, but another car lane is always on budget

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 10 points 2 months ago

Beautiful, I just wish they hadn’t insisted on keeping the parallel parking and planted some trees instead.

[–] klay1@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

i disagree. There are good and bad separate bike lanes.

In this one, cyclists will be overlooked a lot when crossing the lane. They are hidden behind parked cars.

edit: apologies in advance. I am glad you built this one, which is already a good step in the right direction.

[–] Ton@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

This is literally how 99 percent of the separate bike lanes in NL are built. Check Not Just Bikes on Nebula.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (3 replies)
[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I didn't know Americans had cycle lanes

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I would guess that Boston Massachusetts has the best bike lanes in America, but there are many American cities I haven’t been to. I have bike lanes in my town, but nothing like I saw in Boston. That city takes biking very seriously.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Very good (for America) cycle infrastructure here in Portland Oregon!

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm going to hit my head on that tree's branches

[–] psud@aussie.zone 5 points 2 months ago

One of the best things about recumbents is I'd go right under it

[–] misterbngo@awful.systems 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

yeah there's a bigger tree further up this stretch that I constantly have to duck under

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 days ago

Fuck it, take maintenance into your own hand and snap the offending branches off. It takes 10 seconds so even if someone sees you do it and cares about it, they won't have time to react before you bike away.

[–] shininghero@pawb.social 4 points 2 months ago

There used to be a few branches like that on the sidewalk to my grocery store. I just bought a pair of shears and read up on how to prune safely.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Indeed and give the bicycles the right of way like the Netherlands. However, with proper traffic controls and the bicyclists must follow the rules too.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

That automotive crossing in frame center is seriously bad vibes. The car parking immediately adjacent to the driveway - A driveway that presumably leads to more car parking - Means zero bike visibility for drivers turning right off the street. That's a near-guaranteed cyclist injury or death in the future, which becomes even more likely the smaller the cyclist is. None of the road signs seem to warn of the presence of the bike lane. And there's another car crossing 20 feet after that! Aesthetically this lane looks pleasing to the North American eye but I expect it wouldn't actually pass muster in a place like NL.

It's certainly a move in the right direction but I'd stop short of calling it "good" when it's not even safe.

[–] agingelderly@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Wow this is what I first noticed as well. But then I thought at least it's better than what we have in my city, which is nothing.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Eczpurt@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Bonus points if they raise the entry from the road to the parking lot to separate things further!

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 5 points 2 months ago

I am jelly as heaven now!

[–] scttgard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

This, fucking everywhere!

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

MAGA will ban it, and turn it into luxury vehicle parking.

[–] misterbngo@awful.systems 5 points 2 months ago

If that somehow magically happens in Massachusetts, I will personally go and slash their tires daily

[–] galaxy_nova@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh man I wanna bike there so bad. How’s the bikeability from Somerville to Boston?

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Ah man, I used to live in this town. I wish the infrastructure had been this good when I was there.

load more comments
view more: next ›