Memes about the Fediverse.
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i use both and don't give a shit. 🤷
They each are good in different ways. Lemmy's search is superb - far better than Reddit's or especially PieFed's. Though PieFed has solved the community discovery and onboarding issues for new users.
Imho PieFed seems unquestionably better for a new user, whereas Lemmy is typically more suited for an established user of the Threadiverse, unless they want one of the new features that only PieFed offers (i.e., most people don't need to move, especially if they use a mobile app).
Yeah, I've said that Piefed needs to rip out its search UI and just copy Lemmy's really. It's more convenient. Rimu has said he's not happy with it if I recall.
I found Piefed to be fine but, when sharing links, the recipients of my sharing complained about their format. It was several months ago, though, so maybe that's changed.
next thing you'll tell us that bisexuality is real.
I've never noticed it that extreme - perhaps I've just blocked the right people - but I always saw it more like this:
It's fairly recent, mostly from people doing a code audit, and possibly emboldened by the upcoming Lemmy 1.0. See e.g. https://lemmy.ml/post/42339089/23619001.
Personally I believe such criticisms will only strengthen the code by polishing some of its roughest spots, increasing transparency by exposing additional configuration options and the like. The PieFed devs are actively soliciting such genuine feedback - see e.g. https://piefed.social/c/piefed_meta/p/1660885/we-re-here-to-answer-any-questions-you-have-about-piefed-s-code.
I need to set myself up an Mbin account again (I was once on Kbin).
Ngl Mbin is kinda awesome, but mainly only if someone wants to browse both Mastodon and the Threadiverse from the same account. It's better imho for e.g. long-titled news articles but not as good for e.g. memes.
I hope I'm not furthering the divide OP mentioned further more than being helpful but it's true so I'll say it: I only joined Kbin.social at first due to the off-putting connection between the Lemmy sourcecode and the tankie devs, but now PieFed provides a cleaner option for that.
I got on lemmy because I just wanted to ditch reddit. I can't be bothered to set this convoluted shit up again.
Thats pretty much where I am lol. I have an account and I can see both lemmy and piefed content, good enough for me!
Agreed. They're both very good. And there's no need to bring one down to uplift the other.
both user bases are full of a lot of nut jobs and people with extremist and crazy beliefs.
platforms don't change people. that's what nobody gets. fediverse is not going to 'solve' the problem of being people nutjobs seeking other nutjobs to compete over how 'true' their nutjob commitment is.
What's not cool? Infighting, it drives away new users.
That's an ironic comment, given how loaded the image you've included is...
Users of either means content for both so doing team sports over this seems foolish.
It’s concern-trolling and astroturfing. There are lots of proprietary platforms that must feel threatened by the Fediverse so it’s no surprise that the classic divide and conquer strats are making an appearance.
Just use whatever platform you want and don’t feed the trolls.
PS: memes like this just serve to perpetuate and exacerbate the flamewars, so bravo if that’s what you were aiming for.
The Lemmy devs have arguably pretty worse philosophy but dev with a sense of integrity and don't inject their politics into their software.
The Piefed devs have arguably much better philosophy but do directly build that into their app development.
I'm sorry, I don't think that's an improvement.
Me, who didn't even recognise the icon on the left:
Why is this blue clock guy so mean?
I don't follow the topic intensively either, but I haven't seen anyone criticize the other software
Now that Piefed is getting popular tankie users are feeling threatened so they sling the mud.
There also is a rising anti-piefed sentiment too that seems to have risen up in the past week. I think it's mostly reactionary to [see post].
I see this the other way around as well.
Not sure that this meme reflects the message of those posts on !memes@lemmy.ml:
That looks like two posts from one user.
The piefed dev also posts about tankies on MWoG.
https://piefed.social/c/meanwhileongrad/p/1723607/tankies-celebrating-financial-problems-at-the-un
So I feel like there's bad faith enough to go around, (like with anything where 'tankie' comes up). The user posting on .ml there was just outright deleted off Piefed by the dev. There's clearly an ongoing thing with those right now.
Many people (especially in Europe) do not like tankies, particularly the pro-genocide apologetics and heavily pro-authoritarian stance, but that is a separate issue than the FOSS software.
Many people are extremely frustrated with the slowness with which features come to Lemmy - it hurts to be promised something for years and years and have it just never come, more so than if the promise had never been there to begin with.
But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Lemmy should die? Criticism is not the same as hate. The latter is like Linux vs. Windows, while the former is like one Linux distro vs. another. We truly can all get along, each enjoying our own favorites.
Except Hexbears and Lemmygrads, who can't stop themselves from trolling, but even that is somewhat helpful to the Threadiverse in a short term sense to keep it contained there? (While also harmful in the long run to train inside that echo chamber, subsequently making interactions worse outside of it.)
I have, however, heard Lemmings say that PieFed should die as in no longer exist. Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you! (I wish I could add /s on this one, especially for the sake of Ukraine, Hong Kong, South Korea, Greenland, etc.) Side note: authoritarians would like it very much if you would simply take their words at face value without considering any context at all.
Somehow the "we should all get along" only ever seems to be applied in a single direction when said by certain people. Btw, you should all move from wherever you are at to Russian, China, North Korea, or the USA - that is the only way that we can ever truly be "at peace"! (/s) But don't worry, if you refuse to move, one of those will come all the way over to you!
I was saying that "we should all get along" is sometimes code for "you should STFU and do what I say" - i.e. we should make efforts to do what such people say, not what they actually mean.
I don't see this as much as the fighting between .ml and everyone else. Especially recently with .ml v. piefed & various Lemmy users.
I’ve seen too many conversations go like this:
PieFan: “Piefed is better.”
“How is it better?”
PieFan: “It’s growing much faster than Lemmy.”
“So it’s bigger than Lemmy?”
PieFan: “No, but it will be soon.”
“So Lemmy has more people.”
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
“What are the better features?”
PieFan: “They’ll be integrated soon.”
“How does it look better?”
PieFan: “Well, if you’re using an app it looks the same. And if you’re using the desktop website it looks the same.”
“So it’s better on mobile?”
PieFan: “it will be soon.”
“So if Piefed is roughly the same as Lemmy and is federated with Lemmy, I can just stay on Lemmy and keep my posts, comments, and history while still accessing everything on Piefed.”
PieFan: “I hate Lemmy admins!”
I respect your personal opinions, and even agree with some of the grievances you may have, but for people who are already established on a Lemmy instance there is no practical reason to leave it for Piefed. It’s a preference, same as choosing a Lemmy instance.
Edit: People are already taking this personally. I have no skin in this game, but I see these exchanges all the time and it’s frustrating to watch in-fighting between platforms that are connected to each other by design in the first place.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don't see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don't support all of these yet.
Some apps don’t support all of these yet.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
Just one detail: Piefed already reads Lemmy instances, so it being less-used doesn't matter.
And Piefed already has a ton of tools that Lemmy doesn't have, so no-one is replying "they'll be integrated soon" yet. They already exist.
Note: not saying this to convince you of anything. Just noting some details.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because "it's bigger". Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.