Cheap joke with no added value besides demoralizing and dividing the good side. This is not the way.
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Reflecting on past mistakes isn't necessarily demoralizing, realizing that this isnt a new thing is good for future analysis. Hopefully everyone will come out too when the following George Floyd gets inevitably murdered
That's a bad example precisely because people did come out for George Floyd. What all these cases have in common is video evidence. A next one should not be acceptable, that's a defeating attitude right there.
George Floyd was famously a movement for Black Lives Matter, and there was no suggestion of general strike
There was also no absolute systemic instability at that point. the seeds of it were there, but there was still hope to change the system.
There was hope to change the system until they started killing white people, suddenly reform is out of the question. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you reached that conclusion, but some people did decades ago already, and it's good to follow the advice of those who got to the right conclusion before you
I get your perspective. I just don't agree. The response has depended on good documentation, and clear innocence. Even Good didn't inspire this kind of response. Pretti is someone who clearly had the capacity to do harm, being armed, and yet didn't even draw. He couldn't even vaguely be conceive of as "armed", unlike Good (regardless of how much of a stretch that was). And Pretti was filmed from multiple angles by people who were, by the way, organized and galvanized due to events involving Floyd, Garcia, and Martinez.
Aside from that - I knew where this was going when dubya hit office. But I understand people trying their best to make things work, and knew it would take a lot to get the ball rolling, particularly with the naive bent on the "left". ..and I understand that people of any color will believe whatever fits their world view. If they're wrong (and we all are, to some degree), some are lucky enough to have a willingness to grow, or to have that world view break. The rest live in their assumptions and pay the psychological and physical price for their views until they're dust.
Good luck out there.
The thing is that they started to kill bystander not the suspects cuz they resided and situation escalated
Stop trying to divide us when we are trying to unite. The white people that are getting killed are the ones trying to help and warn their neighbors. Keep making them feel guilty and they may just give up.
I agree. I'm minority and I support starting to be pissed at this at any level and time. Just stick to it until its not a problem anymore.
This. People were already protesting ICE long before Renée Good got killed. The racists, white supremacists, and nazis are still not protesting today. They don't care if a murdered protestor is white. A Nazi is going to view any white protesters as race traitors. What's happening right now is a dramatic shift in the scope of what ICE is doing. Rather than simply targeting immigrants, it's being deployed against protestors and in crowd control efforts. The extent of people they're targeting and how they're targeting them is dramatically expanding as well.
In 2025, at least 32 people died in custody after being detained by ICE. This has caused massive protests nationwide.
But in 2025, there were only 2 people known to have been shot and killed by ICE:
Silverio Villegas González - September 12 - undocumented immigrant shot and killed by ICE in his car after dropping his kids off at school in Chicago. Video circulated online of his window getting broken out and him getting dragged out of the car after being shot.
Keith Porter - December 31 - African American father shot and killed in Los Angeles while allegedly setting off fireworks. There are no videos of what happened.
The first people shot and killed by ICE in 2026 include:
Renée Good - January 7 - woman shot and killed in her vehicle in Minneapolis. Videos of the incident circulated online. She was not actively protesting.
Alex Pretti - January 24 - protestor murdered execution style in Minneapolis for attempting to help a woman get safely to a sidewalk.
That's it. This image includes completely incorrect information. Jaime Alanís Garcia died from breaking his neck after allegedly falling 30 feet from a building while a cannabis farm was being raided by ICE in Ventura County, California. ICE and CBP claims they were not targeting him. There's no video of the incident.
Stuff is dramatically escalating, and it's presumably about to get much much worse.
It would be naive to think race isn't a factor here, but documentation of the crime is also a huge portion of it as well. I have seen the murder of Renee Good from at least 3 different angles, and Alex Pretti from 4, including the exact moment they shot him in the back. There are certainly a lot of Americans that would be more likely to justify this if they had been PoC, but there was also a lot of national outrage over Eric Garner and George Floyd because of how heavily documented those murders were.
I feel like this is super accurate. Of course its a factor but like all things race doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are other major contributing factors at play and I like this comment.
And the outrage over Floyd was in the same city and erupted even more aggressively. The citizens are being more strategic and thoughtful in their dissent this time so it may be more learning than a difference in specific response. While race does change the narrative you're very right that the visibility of the incident seems to be a major factor in the outrage and bridging of the action-intention gap.
"Uh Oh people seem to be uniting in solidarity. Guess we better find a way to tear them apart!"
OP probably.
let op vent. Black and brown people have every fucking right to be pissed at the sudden shift from the daily lackadaisical attitude of white people while black and brown people have been lynched on streets for decades for fighting for your rights. When black and brown people win, white people win. When black and brown people lose, white people keep on goin. White people are suddenly inconvenienced at the ideo that they no longer have a second amendment. Welcome to the daily lives of black and brown people you have been unaware of until now since white people are finally rejecting their capital W Whiteness.
Previous years white people put up a black avatar on instagram for george floyd and brianna taylor. Now theyre willing to die when its white people.
Major shift in attitude from the whites and yes its about damn time white people woke up to the violence. Keep putting your bodies in the front though and do some good
Wait, this has been going on since 2018‽
How did they cover it up back then?
That should have been harder and we should have seen this coming.
It's never been covered up.
This has always been very public knowledge, with which the US population was complacent.
Biden was not primary'd out despite having a role in this, proving that even progressives were fine with it.
Trump was reelected despite knowledge that he would make the situation worse, proving a lot of the US population loves this.
Liberals only started caring about the death camp police once they started shooting people in public, and are now feeling rightfully afraid since ICE is ok killing whites too now. I fear that the ongoing movement is going to be a defensive one, do a bit of defund ICE roleplay, stop when ICE says ok we're not shooting people on the streets anymore you win, and be fine with that conclusion. A complete dismantling and prosecution of ICE, including a liberation of all the migrants in the camps (especially the thousands "lost" by the system) is the only way forward otherwise the death toll will keep getting worse - 2026 is already the worst year on record in that regard and we're still in january.
Insert the MLK quote on white liberals being worse enemies to minorities than the KKK. Don't care much about this thread's feelings by now since they've demonstrated they only care how the situation affects their own feelings, instead of seeing that there is a bigger picture of a social justice fight for migrants being potentially derailed by liberals who are only looking for justice for themselves. I would hate to be the "told you so" person in a while after this whole thing fizzles out and nothing changes, praying time proves me wrong.
Ok I don't think that is fair to be mad at people who didn't get mad about something they haven't heard about. Like, my cat died a month ago, and you didn't say anything, fuck you.
I'm sure some people didn't care because fuck brown people or whatever, but I think most people care now because they are actually hearing about it, maybe for the first time.
Information doesn't reach people equally. The media is complicit for underrepresenting this issue, makes sense some people haven't heard about it yet. And the USA's racist culture of treating migrants like worthless cattle is guilty of making these stories sell less when the media actually tries to talk about them.
This is about people who were aware of the situation and dismissed, minimized, ignored it. Which is a lot of people. People I've been having interactions with for the past decade. It isn't about you. But there's still a lesson to be learned here: how come it hasn't reached you, and what can we change on a structural level to make sure this reaches people widely when it inevitably happens again. There's an actual conversation to be had, and the topic isn't guilt, it's stopping the death machine.
Being dismissive, feeling personally guilty, etc. is how you make sure nothing changes, and guarantees people will keep dying in those camps for decades to come because you and most of the other people in this thread were too busy making this all about yourselves instead of discussing the actual racial bias issues at hand.
Condolences regarding your cat. I know how it feels. Can be as bad as losing a close human. Been there multiple times throughout my life and it never gets better. Got three cats right now and I regularly wake up from nightmares in which I dream they died, you have my full empathy on this topic. I hope you're handling the grief well, if not therapy genuinely helps. Now that this is out of the way, stop throwing yourself as a shield in the way of people who are refusing to confront their racial bias. They don't need any protection, and you don't need to be offering them more excuses.
Sorry (not sorry) about lashing out but I'm getting genuinely pissed at this never ending influx of replies three days in. So many egotistical comments from losers jerking each other off all over the place. Done being polite, the fediverse has a gigantic fragility issue regarding race and masculinity, and I won't stop posting content that addresses both, won't stop replying to people trying to minimize those issues, and won't stop shutting up people who derail conversations by making them about themselves.
I get it, but if this is the line for somebody, then that person is finally angry at the right people for the right reasons. You can tell them off and bicker amongst yourselves after its over. Just be glad theyre finally on the right side for now.
The best 'convert' is the one that got there on their own. They're already primed to believe us when we warn next time.
We do harm by mocking the leopards-ate-my-face crowd when they finally catch on. Even if it is cathartic.
There's room to tell them "Oh that thing we warned you about actually happened? maybe we weren't crazy", but we should then welcome them in and guide them instead of a rude "I told ya so" and no empathy.
Exactly. As the ol' saying goes: "the Right looks for converts, the Left looks for traitors." We need to change that.
The reason the far right has grown so much is because of how they bring people into the fold. "oh, you were one of them libtards, but now you support our one true god Donald J Trump? Hell yeah brother, welcome to the side of the patriots!!11!1!" vs. "oh you voted for Trump, but now you hate ICE? We warned you this would happen, fuck you Trump voter!"
Yep.
People should’ve already been angry. But better late than never.
Yeah. Memes like this are making the perfect the enemy of the good. Is there an issue? Sure. Is this the right time for that issue? I'm not so sure about that one.
Part of the reason we are seeing such an active protest movement now is that ICE is doing its thing in Minneapolis, which was able to mobilize the existing activist network that was created as a result of the police murder of notable ~~white~~ black person George Floyd. This murder was national news and led to police reform in a bunch of states.
When notable ~~white~~ Salvadorian person Kilmar Abrego Garcia was illegal deported to a foreign torture prison, there was nation wide protest, with Senate Chris Van Hollen traveling to El Salvador. This nationwide protest movement eventually secured his release.
How many of those were captured on video? From multiple angles?
We don't have to pretend America doesn't have a racism problem to know that rhetoric like this is not well intentioned.
Minneapolis: Check.
On video: Check.
Massive uproar: Check.
White victim: Nope.
George Floyd's death shows that what matters is that it happened in front of witnesses who were recording on video, not the colour of the victims' skin.
Indistinguishable from Russian propaganda to agitate for class division and disrupt solidarity. Fuck outta here with this self-righteous, tone-deaf slopaganda.
Better late than never, we can hold ppl accountable for inaction AFTER we beat the system
This is true, but detracts from the cause at the moment
"no go back to fighting each other"
Fuck out of here you propagandist bitch
Lots of people, myself included, have been angry about this for awhile now. But also, deaths in 25 were more than twice as high than the next highest listed. And 27 shootings 3 fatalities just in this year, and January isn't even over. Yeah, even more people are obviously going to be angry.
Some of it is a function of media. Media typically doesn't cover when non-white people get murdered. Some of it is the media reflecting the racism of its viewers. Some of it is being caught on video and leaving less room for doubt (and the media deciding to show the videos). There's also been protests and action being taken by normal citizens before these white people got killed (these white people were killed doing it, after all).