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‘I'm Not Giving ICE Another Dime’: Schiff Says Republicans Who Vote To Give ICE More Funding Will ‘See More Americans Die’ (www.huffpost.com)
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says the guy who's party literally just voted to fund these known murders.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

7 Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to fund them. It's unconscionable, and those seven should be primaried, as well as party leadership who decided not to do a whip vote, but blaming the entire Democratic Party, including the Senate which hasn't voted yet and is vowing to block it, is quite ignorant, to be honest.

What are you hoping to accomplish by responding to Senate Democrats saying they won't allow the funding, by saying "You already allowed the funding"?

Wait for the Senate to vote, see if they keep their word. Don't preemptively blame them for the thing they're saying they're going to try to stop.

And if they don't keep their word, run for their seat and primary them. But all this "Dems are fascist-lite/controlled-opposition" seems like a combination of foreign disinfo and right-wing psyop, both of which are meant to sow discord and weaken opposition. And it's working, because idiots like you keep falling for it.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

If you haven't seen establishment Dem's efforts to maintain the power of the GOP and this new fascist paradigm, you have paid zero attention and are just as painted-face-sports-fan for the Dems as MAGA is for Trump.

I'm not saying we don't vote Dem. We should all vote Dem. Entirely NEW dems. Every incumbent must go, every last one. I stopped caring when they stopped caring about us. Fuck every last one, I hope they end up prosecuted at the Hague with the GOP who enabled this. Or at least disappear into obscurity.

We have no advocates in federal power.

We also have a LOT of pro-establishment Dem accounts being made across Lemmy with account ages less than a month old. That part makes me go "huh." It should make everyone roll their eyes.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

That's precisely the kind of no-nuance take that I would expect from maga.

Pointing out obvious untruths and presenting easily verifiable facts is not the same as being pro-establishment Dem.

I'm not happy about the response seen so far, and I think any Dem who votes with Republicans should be primaried. I think the Democratic Party leadership should be replaced. But painting the entire Democratic Party with a broad-brush and saying they're all to blame/controlled opposition/fascist-lite is as I said both counter-factual and counter-productive.

There are plenty of Democrats voting against Republicans and doing all they can to oppose them, and lumping them in with republicans and DINOs is not going to help the situation.

Just because they currently have a minority and the way the system is designed makes it extremely difficult for them to oppose the majority party doesn't mean they're all complicit. If you want to see them make a difference, try voting in more Dems so that they get a sabotage-proof majority.

Until then, try directing your ire at the people who are actually to blame, such as republicans and the 7 House Democrats who voted with them.

Adam Schiff is not the problem, and attacking him for making headlines with an oppositional statement is only going to disincentivize any remaining Democrats from speaking up or standing out. And that is not what we need.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Every last one needs to go, you have presented ZERO case for allowing these useless traitors to keep representing us.

Seriously? Arguing for ESTABLISHMENT DEMOCRATS on Lemmy? What are you even smoking? Do you think this is some tuned-out liberal site?

No really, what's your game. You in India? Philippines? Russia? making a dime trying to protect these old liches? Have a conscience, quit this stupid game.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago

Just ignore everything I said and keep your head up your ass, why don't you? I'm not going to bother repeating myself if you're just going to keep ignoring reality and pretending I said things that I didn't.

You in India? Philippines? Russia?

Projection much? You trolls keep telling on yourselves.

[–] Luminous5481@anarchist.nexus 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

“You guys kill six, seven, eight or ten more white people and I’m gonna be really mad”

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Just text ANGRY to 463737 and donate $5, $10, or $25 so we can do anything

[–] Nebraska_Huskers@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Funny, I'm not guving Schiff another dime either, for completely different reasons

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Every incumbent dem must go. The reckoning is 10 months away.

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well, assuming the midterms happen and are actually free of interference, neither of which is necessarily a given.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think we have far better chances than they want you to believe. We aren't a single, small nation with one vote. We are 50 separate countries basically. "State" doesn't mean subservient to a greater power, it means State. States have a lot of power and independence if they choose, and the administration would have to not just rig one election, they would have to rig 50, and that's a HUGE task with massive chances of being caught.

But they will likely seed the public discourse with the suspicion that they will cheat, this will discourage some amount of people from voting at all. This might be all they have.

It's not impossible for them to cheat, they very well might, they have a LOT of money to do so, but the question they need to ask is if they feel confident enough with the consequences and stability post-cheat when it inevitably comes out and nothing in the country changes and people get more and more angry.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

They don’t have to rig 50. They just need a middleman.

Also, there’s points where all those votes converge so if they want to disrupt it, they don’t disrupt the voting. They disrupt it at the end.

So last election, they pulled all of the volunteers that weren’t republican out of my area. What we’re supposed to do is audit. So basically a republican a democrat and an independent would bring those votes at the end of the day to the county elections office. They stopped us from doing that this last election. They only allowed Republicans to do it. We could not audit them.

I’m an independent. They would not allow me to audit the fucking election as we have done every single year since I’ve been allowed to vote.

I have been consistently the youngest person to ever be volunteering and I’m not young. It was so bad the last election we couldn’t find a good bit of people that weren’t republican that were willing to put their time in for this.

So when I tell you, the people have failed themselves, this is why. They are lazy they took advantage of democracy. They don’t fucking do shit. So yes I’m going to fucking tell you. It’s easy to steal it from all 50 states when no one‘s fucking volunteering to audit And they cheated us out of the opportunity to do it when we are actually there.

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yeah this was exactly my point. There's so many ways to disrupt elections in the US. In addition to what you mentioned, there's also eg. tampering with voting machines (older hack but I doubt the current situation has vastly improved), or tampering with voter rolls.

This is not to say that the midterms will definitely not be free, but that y'all need to be extremely vigilant

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm hearing a call for more audit volunteers, and I'll lead that charge in my own community. I hope others reading this also take up metaphorical arms and get out and volunteer.

[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago

No fucking shit. Do something. Minnesota is entirely working within our communities and expect nothing from our governments. If I had the option, I would opt out of America at this point. Imagine if MN didn't have to pay federal taxes, that'd be great.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Fuck this fucking guy.

[–] MajinBlayze@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that's the point. Stop pretending that that's not the point

[–] jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 hours ago

Yeah I was about to make this exact same comment. They want to see people suffer and die, that's why they're allowing all this to happen.

People need to stop pretending that the murders are some unfortunate side product

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

We need a third Socialist Party that appeals to everyone regardless of where they stand in the spectrum (and uses euphemisms because Red Scare and all).

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 97 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Says the fucker that gave them almost $30 billion less than a year ago. We're here because you all tripled their annual budget. What the fuck did you think was going to happen?

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

that was not the best time to negotiate (/s)

[–] kurmudgeon@lemmy.world 50 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

I'll believe it when I see it. The current Democrat leadership is nothing but a bunch of flip-flopping pussies.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 49 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It goes beyond flip-flopping. It looks like a party of calculated self-sabotage. It appears Schumer organizes votes to ensure there are just enough dissenters that he and others can pretend to want the right thing but hey, what can they do, unfortunately they just didn't get enough votes. Every time. All that changes is who they pick to be on dissent duty.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago

Dude is owned by Israel. I hope he does the right thing for once but I won’t hold my breath

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 17 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

The moment the current regime ends, ICE needs to be disbanded, and people has to be held accountable.

There needs to be a completely new organization for dealing with immigration, this one has been and continues to be rolling in shit so deep you can't get the stink out.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, people need to be held accountable for war crimes to the fullest extent.

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Unless we somehow miraculously manage to throw every single one of them into prison. Disbanding ICE and making a new organization just means these fuckers are going to be recycled and rebranded. Nothing will change.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

ICE and DHS both need to be disbanded, they're useless organizations whose function can be met equally or better by other groups. DHS has always been a sad joke of an agency, let the FBI/CIA, federal marshals or state troops handle that stuff. Likewise ICE has no need to exist, anything they do can just as easily be handled by some other law enforcement agency.

Worst case scenario they create a new agency with no law enforcement powers to handle immigration paperwork. Make them a pure bureaucracy that only exists to file reports and help people go through the immigration process. If someone over stays their visa then the immigration bureau can refer that person to traditional LEOs at the state or federal level. There's no reason at all why they need a dedicated law enforcement agency purely for immigrants.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

It's good to remember that DHS was invented as a response to 9/11 during all the rush to "Keep us Safe from Terrorists" when we lost a lot of freedom and privacy. We were doing just fine without them before.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Who 10% of his party

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I dont even get why they need that much funding. It plays like a scheme.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

To kill people.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 22 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Schiff: it’s not just GOP members who will see more Americans die. Is this comeback really the extent of what you’re willing to do? The people you’re berating this way see this as a feature, not a flaw. They have no issues with the “wrong type” of American dying like this.

Maybe refuse to caucus with anyone who doesn’t support your NEW bill removing the funding granted by the one YOU JUST SUPPORTED?

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