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Hahahahaha. Like they'll listen to anything he says.
Ffs, performative politics is all the dems know how to do. We want action, they want status quo or maybe slightly better, but they certainly don't wanna go to the mattresses. That's how we got here.
Maybe it’s time to stop calling them to leave and time to kick them out
Federal agents: "No."
Your move, Walz. Your constituents are being murdered in the street. Are you going to grow a pair and actually do something? Or are you just gonna keep talking like a worthless fucking politician?
Yeah, Walz, why aren't you personally removing armed state military from the streets? Walz, why didn't you start a revolution yet, Walz? Too much of a pussy, Walz? I almost stood up from my sofa, that's how I am angry at you, Walz.
I nodded along with this comment, and then got thinking about the nation-state-military caliber funding that ICE was handed recently.
And, after a bit of mental breadth-first search of where that train of thought could have led, I was left with a frown thinking "this could get so much more bloody so quickly."
Aipac really nuetered him during the campaign, since then he hasnt done anything noteworthy.
He most likely actually is involved in some kind of dirty dealing. Probably nothing like what the conservatives are screaming about, likely more to do with some improper donations or dealings with China, the kind of boring, low-level violation that gets liberals so twisted up that they fold at the slightest pressure.
Meanwhile the GOP will openly fund a candidate with like, a mountain of stolen Aztek gold and have sacks of Russian money parachute onto their convention stage with a line of chained sex slaves behind them and they'll shrug and go "whoopsie!" and the media cycle will move on with sports and weather.
What Aztek gold may look like:
Might be the best reply I've gotten all day about anything.
If I were in his shoes, I'd be really fucking reluctant to give any order that would result in a bloodbath. I mean, we can all guess by now that it will end up that way, but I don't think we should be so quick to condemn a man that doesn't lightly order violence.
Pressure him into taking action, because that pressure may ease the weight of responsibility, but understand that it's a heavy weight to bear. Pretty sure he didn't go into that job expecting to face a civil war.
What's with this apologism for feckless liberals? He doesn't have to order the National Guard to open fire on ICE, but he could start with, you know, not sending state police to brutalize protestors at the site of the most recent public execution.
I don't give a fuck if he feels a heavy weight, it's nothing compared to the families of the dead. Dead because of an institution his party funded just as often as the Republicans did. It's time for him to rise to the occasion or (infinitely more likely) time for us to recognize there's no spine in his body and it depends entirely on us - which means he's against us.
What's with this apologism for feckless liberals?
It wasn't intended to absolve him from the responsibility of having to do something, if that's how it came across. In the context of people calling on him to mobilise the NG and use them to drive out ICE, I wanted to point out that it would be akin to starting open civil war, and that any responsible commander would and should grapple with that decision. It's not about excusing so much as understanding.
sending state police to brutalize protestors at the site of the most recent public execution.
I didn't know that at the time I made the comment. Like I said, I was mostly seeing people call for military action left and right.
I don't give a fuck if he feels a heavy weight, it's nothing compared to the families of the dead.
And if he orders the NG to deploy against ICE, there will be even more dead and more grieving families as a result of his orders. I think you're a little too quick to dismiss the weight of that decision. Yes, people will die if he does nothing as well, which is why he has to do something. I'm not excusing his inaction.
In an escalating time of violence and rage, I'm trying to remind people of their humanity: Pressure him to do his job, by all means, but do so in full awareness what you're asking of him.
I think the most acceptable course of action at this point would be having the NG shadow ICE everywhere they go, with instructions to protect the safety and civil rights of the protestors and other humans (regardless of citizenship status).
Then the ball is in ICE's court. Let them be the ones who escalate.
But yes, Tim Walz's approach so far has been to sic his state police on the protestors and send the NG out for donut-and-coffee photo ops while doing nothing to meaningfully protect the citizens. I won't give him a pass on that, it's the job he signed up for and got paid our tax dollars to do.
I won't give him a pass on that, it's the job he signed up for and got paid our tax dollars to do.
And you shouldn't give him a pass either. Let's hope his heart is in the right place and his courage will catch up.
Yeah, that's kind of how democracy works. There should be direct and obvious connection between actions that drastic and the will of the people. Starting a war with the government isn't something that a governor should be able to just do with one order.
Exactly. That such a decision requires public pressure is, for once, a system working as it should. The question is which pressure he'll give in to: The feds' demands or his people's.
Maybe if he says it enough times they’ll leave. Or maybe he should enforce the law in his state.
he knows trump wants to declare martial law. and he knows trump could have him and his entire family murdered with one phone call. everyone's waiting for someone to step up and show some leadership against fascism, and if it ever happens, it's definitely not going to be someone in public office
and he knows trump could have him and his entire family murdered with one phone call.
Yes, [REDACTED] brought up the Hortman assassination a propos of nothing on social media, and within 12 hours, Walz dropped out of the governor's race quite unexpectedly. That was my first thought, that the regime has made its threat clear to him.
We have a federal government that is using mob/cartel tactics to terrorize people into submission.
This is not okay.
deport them. MN knows how to remove ice and snow from the roads. plows could be useful
Cut power to their buildings and to the hotels they're staying. Now that it's super cold out. Threaten them with freezing. Then order a slow as fuck inquiry to find out why there is no power and clutch your pearls.
If you genuinely want to disrupt them, you can.
Otherwise STFU with the rhetorical posturing.
Lead or get out of the way. Enough.
Walz has the power and authority to simply call up the National Guard, which he rightfully commands, and say "Hey keep ICE out of the city." Same with the cops.
The president can send orders to deploy the NG here or there, but he doesn't have control over their orders or what they're supposed to be doing exactly. That still falls to governors. And the Minnesota national guard command has already indicated that they would follow orders from the governor and uphold the constitution over the president. And there's absolutely no love between the Minneapolis police and ICE.
I don't know why we're not actually acting likes States. We're "United States" not one big, single state called "America." States have the power, the Federal Government works for the states.
It seems likely to me he/ dems know this will tip off a civil war and they are still hoping to find a different way of dealing with this. Something less bloody. No decent person wants to make the choice that is the final straw before thousands die. Also, even if they recognize it to be inevitable it is necessary to wait until the masses are aligned. The way you-and all the rest of us- are getting fed up is a sign the fruit is almost ripe.
Or they could just be compromised cowards. It doesn't really matter actually, at some point the tide will flood the city streets and then someone will show up to lead.
"Pwease weave. Pwetty pwease."
Grow some fucking balls and DO something besides jack your massaging jaw, you useless old fuck.
Walz is a typical democrat.
He talks a big game and has great bluster.
but when the cards hit the table, he rolls over, shows his belly and shits himself
He should have activated the national guard weeks ago. He should have had them on the streets everywhere that ICE was at, Following them where ever they went, with orders to intervene anytime they stepped out of line.
He should have been ordering every state law enforcement agency to follow ICE, and arrest them every time they abducted a child, every time they assaulted an innocent civilian, anytime they've murdered an innocent person.
but instead of doing anything useful and proactive to protect his state, he keeps going on twitter and begging "pwease mistur pwesident, stahp hwurting my pepulz. pretty pwease?"
That's the American way. Next they will SLAM the government and nothing will happen.
Order them by threat of force
Anything else is just more posturing and god, we've seen so much posturing already
Effective: “Today I am calling for the immediate arrest and trial of agents involved in the murders and abuses of state citizens”
Ineffective: “please leave”
Maybe he can give them a basket of cookies too?
SEND IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. You state is under attack by gestapo and they are purposely destroying evidence to hide their crimes.
They must be force out with guns, not stern words. Your call waltz.
Another toothless message. What a joke. Trump is going to invoke the Insurrection Act regardless of what you do. At least protect your damn citizens from cold-blooded federal jackboots!
he's a coward. "oh but they've likely threatened his life and his familiy" ok then immediately step down and have someone else jump in that is willing to take the bullet for the people.
Someone, anyone, at this point needs to step up and NOT be afraid to do whatever it takes to defend and protect US citizens from nazis.
No politician will save us. Only you and your local community working together can.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat the regime with our last non-violent pathways (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
As we're seeing, deadly violence is being used against us and it will only continue. It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you'll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven't already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other's problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We've been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn't only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don't want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for an even longer General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would've had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren't in a union (or even if you are, it's worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you'll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn't listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they'll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We'll start it off with some General Advice:
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you'll need to scroll down. I'd add it here, but it won't fit in this comment).
I'd also highly recommend anyone reading this to read Full Spectrum Resistance if you can for further info.
i can see why he was so ineffective during the campaign as well, you cant play to republicans emotions about disabled people when they are making fun of them.
