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[–] pimpampoom@lemmy.zip 7 points 14 hours ago

Maybe it’s time to stop calling them to leave and time to kick them out

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 19 hours ago

Hahahahaha. Like they'll listen to anything he says.

Ffs, performative politics is all the dems know how to do. We want action, they want status quo or maybe slightly better, but they certainly don't wanna go to the mattresses. That's how we got here.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

oh now the media are paying attention. playing on donald's golf cart, i hope

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

deport them. MN knows how to remove ice and snow from the roads. plows could be useful

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Federal agents: "No."

Your move, Walz. Your constituents are being murdered in the street. Are you going to grow a pair and actually do something? Or are you just gonna keep talking like a worthless fucking politician?

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago

Yeah, Walz, why aren't you personally removing armed state military from the streets? Walz, why didn't you start a revolution yet, Walz? Too much of a pussy, Walz? I almost stood up from my sofa, that's how I am angry at you, Walz.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Aipac really nuetered him during the campaign, since then he hasnt done anything noteworthy.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He most likely actually is involved in some kind of dirty dealing. Probably nothing like what the conservatives are screaming about, likely more to do with some improper donations or dealings with China, the kind of boring, low-level violation that gets liberals so twisted up that they fold at the slightest pressure.

Meanwhile the GOP will openly fund a candidate with like, a mountain of stolen Aztek gold and have sacks of Russian money parachute onto their convention stage with a line of chained sex slaves behind them and they'll shrug and go "whoopsie!" and the media cycle will move on with sports and weather.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

What Aztek gold may look like:

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

Might be the best reply I've gotten all day about anything.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago

I nodded along with this comment, and then got thinking about the nation-state-military caliber funding that ICE was handed recently.

And, after a bit of mental breadth-first search of where that train of thought could have led, I was left with a frown thinking "this could get so much more bloody so quickly."

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If I were in his shoes, I'd be really fucking reluctant to give any order that would result in a bloodbath. I mean, we can all guess by now that it will end up that way, but I don't think we should be so quick to condemn a man that doesn't lightly order violence.

Pressure him into taking action, because that pressure may ease the weight of responsibility, but understand that it's a heavy weight to bear. Pretty sure he didn't go into that job expecting to face a civil war.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's kind of how democracy works. There should be direct and obvious connection between actions that drastic and the will of the people. Starting a war with the government isn't something that a governor should be able to just do with one order.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 5 points 17 hours ago

Exactly. That such a decision requires public pressure is, for once, a system working as it should. The question is which pressure he'll give in to: The feds' demands or his people's.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

What's with this apologism for feckless liberals? He doesn't have to order the National Guard to open fire on ICE, but he could start with, you know, not sending state police to brutalize protestors at the site of the most recent public execution.

I don't give a fuck if he feels a heavy weight, it's nothing compared to the families of the dead. Dead because of an institution his party funded just as often as the Republicans did. It's time for him to rise to the occasion or (infinitely more likely) time for us to recognize there's no spine in his body and it depends entirely on us - which means he's against us.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's with this apologism for feckless liberals?

It wasn't intended to absolve him from the responsibility of having to do something, if that's how it came across. In the context of people calling on him to mobilise the NG and use them to drive out ICE, I wanted to point out that it would be akin to starting open civil war, and that any responsible commander would and should grapple with that decision. It's not about excusing so much as understanding.

sending state police to brutalize protestors at the site of the most recent public execution.

I didn't know that at the time I made the comment. Like I said, I was mostly seeing people call for military action left and right.

I don't give a fuck if he feels a heavy weight, it's nothing compared to the families of the dead.

And if he orders the NG to deploy against ICE, there will be even more dead and more grieving families as a result of his orders. I think you're a little too quick to dismiss the weight of that decision. Yes, people will die if he does nothing as well, which is why he has to do something. I'm not excusing his inaction.

In an escalating time of violence and rage, I'm trying to remind people of their humanity: Pressure him to do his job, by all means, but do so in full awareness what you're asking of him.

[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I think the most acceptable course of action at this point would be having the NG shadow ICE everywhere they go, with instructions to protect the safety and civil rights of the protestors and other humans (regardless of citizenship status).

Then the ball is in ICE's court. Let them be the ones who escalate.

But yes, Tim Walz's approach so far has been to sic his state police on the protestors and send the NG out for donut-and-coffee photo ops while doing nothing to meaningfully protect the citizens. I won't give him a pass on that, it's the job he signed up for and got paid our tax dollars to do.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I won't give him a pass on that, it's the job he signed up for and got paid our tax dollars to do.

And you shouldn't give him a pass either. Let's hope his heart is in the right place and his courage will catch up.

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

"Pwease weave. Pwetty pwease."

Grow some fucking balls and DO something besides jack your massaging jaw, you useless old fuck.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

Walz is a typical democrat.

He talks a big game and has great bluster.

but when the cards hit the table, he rolls over, shows his belly and shits himself

He should have activated the national guard weeks ago. He should have had them on the streets everywhere that ICE was at, Following them where ever they went, with orders to intervene anytime they stepped out of line.

He should have been ordering every state law enforcement agency to follow ICE, and arrest them every time they abducted a child, every time they assaulted an innocent civilian, anytime they've murdered an innocent person.

but instead of doing anything useful and proactive to protect his state, he keeps going on twitter and begging "pwease mistur pwesident, stahp hwurting my pepulz. pretty pwease?"

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

That's the American way. Next they will SLAM the government and nothing will happen.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Cut power to their buildings and to the hotels they're staying. Now that it's super cold out. Threaten them with freezing. Then order a slow as fuck inquiry to find out why there is no power and clutch your pearls.

If you genuinely want to disrupt them, you can.

Otherwise STFU with the rhetorical posturing.

Lead or get out of the way. Enough.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Walz has the power and authority to simply call up the National Guard, which he rightfully commands, and say "Hey keep ICE out of the city." Same with the cops.

The president can send orders to deploy the NG here or there, but he doesn't have control over their orders or what they're supposed to be doing exactly. That still falls to governors. And the Minnesota national guard command has already indicated that they would follow orders from the governor and uphold the constitution over the president. And there's absolutely no love between the Minneapolis police and ICE.

I don't know why we're not actually acting likes States. We're "United States" not one big, single state called "America." States have the power, the Federal Government works for the states.

[–] howl2@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It seems likely to me he/ dems know this will tip off a civil war and they are still hoping to find a different way of dealing with this. Something less bloody. No decent person wants to make the choice that is the final straw before thousands die. Also, even if they recognize it to be inevitable it is necessary to wait until the masses are aligned. The way you-and all the rest of us- are getting fed up is a sign the fruit is almost ripe.

Or they could just be compromised cowards. It doesn't really matter actually, at some point the tide will flood the city streets and then someone will show up to lead.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

schumer and jefferies wants to fund ICE, we know thier allegience.

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[–] Dagamant@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Effective: “Today I am calling for the immediate arrest and trial of agents involved in the murders and abuses of state citizens”

Ineffective: “please leave”

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Maybe he can give them a basket of cookies too?

SEND IN THE NATIONAL GUARD. You state is under attack by gestapo and they are purposely destroying evidence to hide their crimes.

They must be force out with guns, not stern words. Your call waltz.

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