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My red line is easy. No windows on my computers. That rule stands since before my first kid was born, and she is by now finishing university...

Microsoft drew the line. They wanted me to buy a new computer for their new OS. Not happening.

As a mechanical engineer, I have bad news for y’all…

Already drawn. Recently switched to linux on my work laptop. And I work with my supporting M365.

When I can reliably get Game Pass to run on Linux, or if Game Pass becomes not worth it.

Hmm, i might have written my question slightly wrong, since i wanted to know what would the the proverbial last straw microsoft does to make someone switch away from windows, while they currently dont plan on switching 😅

But these are good answers too.

I drew the line at "Ads in the start menu," and fully switched when a game that I've played on and off for ~15 years started working on Linux. I've been using Linux for most of my life, but I uninstalled Windows for the last time about 4 years ago

I haven’t made the switch off of Windows, but I have started dabbling in Linux. I am ok with tech, better than the average person, but I don’t know anything about programming or coding or any of it. I have a Raspberry Pi, some other electronic stuff, and a book that is project based teaching of python. I’ve spent the last month or so reading up on self hosting, Linux, and other open source stuff.

My biggest hesitation is World of Warcraft. It’s the only game I play, it’s the only game I’ve ever really played, and I don’t want to lose access to that. I have started looking into how wow is run on Linux. But I’m not ready to fully switch yet.

I can give my historical experience. Early 2025, I saw horrific articles on Copilot and decided to switch early. I had a bad distro hopping experience. First tried Linux Mint, might have been a slightly old install, but even my wifi didn’t work. Tried a later install, and it was much better, but game performance wasn’t great. Hitman WOA didn’t even load levels. Helldivers 2 had an annoying white border (I eventually fixed this a year later using an odd hack)

I then tried Bazzite. I didn’t quite like the layout, but it functioned. I had a hard time installing apps; it tried to simplify this with various virtualization/containerized solutions, but it meant so many tutorials for basic native-Linux apps didn’t work.

When W10 EOL came around, I tried another distro well touted: CachyOS. It was very smooth. I learned it’s Arch, same as the Steam Deck, and does have some “technical complexities” which I felt I wanted to avoid, but I guess in the end it’s been nothing I’m not a little used to from my work as a programmer. It mostly uses okay UIs for system settings, and some programs require you to use another package installer rather than their default “Octopi”. Some of my early issues came from installing Flatpaks rather than Arch User Repository items.

Games have been fantastic. Rarely when something uses video I need ProtonGE, which is an easy toggle; I should probably just make it default. Helldivers 2 and Division 2 seem to run better than on Windows.

The biggest decider has been: Changing to Linux was NOT annoyance free. There was transition, there was fiddly configuration, and I replaced some apps I use. A key thing is, Windows was quickly moving away from being annoyance free - stuffing Copilot and OneDrive ads into EVERYTHING. So, even accepting a few Linux struggles ended up being an overall lesser frustration.

the line is when I can do everything I need to do in a better operating system. why would it be anything else

im using Arch btw

My gaming desktop is only running Windows out of inertia at this point. Windows 10 LTSC specifically; I'm just waiting on the security updates to stop. Everything else in my house is already running something better.

I use windows because the fire code mandates it, and cause having sunlight in rooms is nice. Also I can see the weather and when the mail arrives.

I use Windows 11 as a desktop OS, mostly because it came preinstalled on the laptop, a bunch of apps run on it (Affinity, some photography stuff, Clip Studio Paint, and FL Studio mostly - and I'm aware Davinci Resolve has a linux port but installing it looked like a pain and a half), and for early part of its existence, I thought Windows 11 used to be kinda good actually. ...Bunch of really silly stuff on Microsoft's part has happened since, though, and it has made me very grumpy toward them and I think they're really busy - what do the kid say these days? - losing the plot.

I already dialed back my Xbox subscription (guys, you don't hike a price by over 100€ a year when the price was already damn high!), and already dialed back my Office subscription (yeah I don't need Copilot, thanks) and will probably cancel it altogether next time the bill is due. ...oh and my game purchases have mostly gone to Steam lately.

I use Linux (Debian variants) almost everywhere else, currently on a junk desktop PC (Debian/KDE) and Raspberry Pi 4, mostly for development stuff. I don't think there'd be a huge pain in the neck in moving to Linux again, especially since I already use a lot of open source apps (and I've generally preferred software with sensible purchase terms, etc), but it's not a huge pressing issue right now.

I have a PC running Windows 11 Professional that I use exclusively for gaming. It works fine for that and it doesn't annoy me with OneDrive or Copilot etc.

I'm open to switching to Linux on that machine if Windows starts to annoy me, but as it stands Windows runs all my games without issues and I can't be arsed messing with things that aren't broken.

I wouldn't dream of running Windows on a computer used for anything other than gaming though. Currently I use a Mac as a daily driver, but I've also used Linux in the past. The main reason for using macOS is that I spend too much time messing with computers at work to want to do it in my free time too. The Apple ecosystem makes it easy to have everything integrated without much effort. I'm aware it's probably an unpopular opinion around here.

Why anyone is OK with Microsoft's key logging of everything including passwords is beyond me.

My red line is when the user experience becomes worse for me on Windows than on Linux. Not saying that Linux is bad, it's definitely not, but it seems to use a completely different paradigm from Windows which is much less aligned with what I want out of an OS than Windows is. So fundamentally my user experience on Windows is better, the enshittification is just adding trade offs until they eventually outweight having to go with a paradigm I don't agree with. And that point hasn't been reached yet. Though we're definitely getting close.

I wish there was an actual alternative that was just an opensource Windows without enshittification. I'd switch to that immediately if it existed. But with Linux, Windows will have to do some more enshittifying to get me there.

I have no more excuses, the line has already been crossed. I was getting ready to move over to Linux last year, but this is the real year. I had to move houses and it cost a bit more energy then expected. I now expect to give my final good-byes to proprietary PC operating systems this feb/march.

I use a streamdeck combined with soundpad software as a soundboard on W10/11, and that functionality is not 1-1 on Linux. Whatevs. I'll have to do without some options I had on windows. I'll get there.

The line is between my home and the office. Linux at home for nearly twenty years and windows at work because so few know better.

I've never seen an EMR that runs on Linux and if I did I'd have to find an employer willing to run it.

A few years ago, and Mint is great. I'll never look back.

I dualboot. I run windows whenever I want to use a certain software that is not supported on linux. Other than that, my daily routine and 99% of the games I play/wish to play run on Linux.

Now my main SSD runs Window11 and external one runs Bazzite. Once I finish ripping DVDs/Blurays I got from a friend, I will try to switch OS'es places.

At work I'm paid for it. The software is very much specialised and while probably possible to run under Linux it's just too much of a headache.

I did install Linux on our SVN server though.

Unfortunately with the way you asked, and especially with asking on Lemmy, you'll get a lot of tech saavy people, and FOSS enthusiasts. You'll also get a handful of people here who can't help but talk down to anyone who dares to say that Windows isn't just the fucking worst.

I'm primarily Windows, with an Ubuntu VM for working with obscure FOSS utilities (like I had to use someone's college project to recover data off a USB HDD where the enclosure broke, and it turned out the manufacturer used whole disk encryption so you couldn't just shuck it and go, but it was thankfully trivial with the key stored in a specific sector) and to work with github projects that only provide build instructions for Linux.

I run a personally customized and debloated install of Windows 10 Pro on my desktop, and Windows 10 Ameliorated (someone else's debloat setup I cribbed a decent amount from) on a laptop that is mostly used as a remote endpoint for the desktop through sunlight/moonlight (whatever the open source version of nVidia streaming is). The debloating took maybe 4 hours (6 if you include the time to figure out how to stream updates and drivers into the install media) and I've had no issues with any of the shit people complain about. I'm in control of my own updates (although you can't delay them indefinitely, you can push them back multiple weeks and prevent auto-restarts), no onedrive, stripped out telemetry shit and blocked through host file and DNS in case any was missed or added later. No updates have reset any settings I've set, despite the common insistence that everyone says they do.

But I also have almost a decade in supporting Windows, from intro IT help desk to many years as a sysadmin and IT infrastructure "engineer". I know what levers Microsoft has built for businesses to use to kill the bullshit, anf I cry at just how ridiculously bad a shit ton of Windows advice online is.

As far as Linux goes, I'm no stranger to it, and have been poking around with it since Knoppix was one of the only options (if not the only) for live-boot. I'm the go to guy on my team for the few Linux based appliances we run that don't belong to the network team. I want it to be a competitive alternative for corporatized software.

But I bounced off it in the mid-late 00's as I got tired of how much tinkering it took. By the time I was interested in checking it out again, I was working in IT, and nothing drains you of energy to tinker with computers at home like doing it eight hours a day for work. I wanted my stuff at home to just work, to the point that I even was mostly gaming on console.

I'm out of my burnout now, built a new desktop when I got my sysadmin/infra position, and built up a homelab of VMs to try (and fail to) speedrun studying for the MCSE before MS stopped offering it, since I work in a primarily Windows environment.

Whenever I finally get some free time, I plan to sit down and document customizing Win11 to not suck for the sake of all the people online that insist it simply isn't possible at all... and to set aside a dedicated drive to try out some more modern Linux distros again.

But I'll be honest, most Linux troubleshooting stuff still seems to be pretty finicky and still a tradeoff compared to the amount of stuff that "just works" on Windows (nVidia GPUs, HDR, VRR for a few examples). Definitely far better than it used to be, but still not to the point where the OS just gets out of your way. Windows still seems to be able to get to that point more easily.

I hope to proven wrong in my opinions about the current state of things.

I drew the line when my Windows box told me I couldn’t do something even with admin. Kid, you work for ME, not the other way around.

Always preferred Linux over Windows, but I had issues with games on it. I just decided that I wouldn’t play any games that didn’t work. That was a couple of years ago now, and things have only improved since.

My fiance, who is not a technical person, even decided she wanted her new PC to run Linux unprompted, which is a hell of a win for Linux and for me in not having to support a Windows box in the house.