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ok seriously what kind of microwave does everyone have? none i've ever used had a builtin calculator that let you add 60 to 60
the only thing i've ever seen that was addable was +30 on the turn on button, and that one when pressed twice always adds a minute
Best case for metric time
You might have confused metric time (which is basically just seconds, the SI unit for measuring time) with decimal time, a way of keeping time that's more in line with the base-10 numbering system.
(Yes I found out about this just now)
🫡 thx xD
You mean Swatch Internet Time?
Beat me to it. See what I did there.... @469
Best case for duodecimal based numbering system. ;)
Touché
Honestly a great case for "I have no idea why we chosen 60 as a random ass base for time "
Also im aware that base is not the proper term in this case since the base is still 10, but I have not idea how you would call the switch to the bigger unit treshhold
I’ve always assumed it’s because of the usefulness in its divisibility, with 60 able to be subdivided evenly in halves, thirds, quarters, fifths, and sixths, and because 24 is just 12x2 and 60 is just 12x5, that remains the case (save for fifths) for all subdivisions of the day in its 60/60/24 configuration.
My guess is that it’s simply an issue of working with something like a day, defined by cosmic forces rather than human sensibilities or control, where you don’t always get something that can be decimalized and still have useful units of time. I’ve done zero research on the actual reason, though, so that’s just a guess.
That's essentially the correct answer:
Oooh Sexagesimal. That's hot.
Don't look at me while I'm learning about sexagesimals
Also why a circle is 360, lots whole number divisors.
Also im aware that base is not the proper term in this case since the base is still 10, but I have not idea how you would call the switch to the bigger unit treshhold
Actually "base" is entirely the correct term in this case. The first group to write down a really systematic method for timekeeping were the Sumerians, and they used base-60 math. This worked really well with solar and lunar cycles, which were important for crop planting, and with astronomical studies (mapping the stars had major applications for both navigation and religion, so it was culturally significant). Empires that came after the Sumerians copied and expanded their system, so it eventually spread to everyone.
Fun fact you can count to 12 on one hand and 60 on two hands,bits how the Babylonians traded.
There was an attempt to convert to decimal and use 100 minutes in an hour, but this failed and it was reverted back. https://somethingmarvelousblog.wordpress.com/2017/07/18/the-best-of-time-the-worst-of-time-the-failed-french-experiment-of-decimal-time/
There was also a great proposal to use kiloseconds.
We already use 15 minutes (16.67 minutes = 1ksec) a lot in regular speech. My language has a word for it (kvarter) which is used all the time.
There used to be cool website listing all the benefits but it's been down for a few years :(
People like give shit to the US for not using the metric system ("you have 12 inches in a foot and 5,280 feet in a mile? how do you even remember that?") but see no irony in using a random ass base for time ("it's easy you just have 60 minutes in an hour and 24 hours in a day.")
I actually developed a metric time for that reason, alongside with an International Fixed Calendar using the Holocene Era. It works on a libreoffice spreadsheet. The calendar itself isn't metric, but it's highly regular, and that makes it nice imo. The spreadsheet auto-updates the time once you edit the spreadsheet (put random character somewhere, remove). But I sadly don't know how to put that on a working site or whatever, or as software...
I picked the Holocene Era because it's globally actually relevant, and it's not tied to a controversial figure (2026 being tied to Christ).
Basically, it's right now, according to my calendar:
Year: 11'726
Month: 1
Week: 2
Day of year: 12
Hour: 8
Minute: 1
How does the calendar work?
There are 364 days in a year. There are 13 months of 28 days each, divided in weeks of 7 days. There are two additional days, New Year's Eve and Leap Day. They don't belong to any day of the week. (Religious groups that object, can just have an extra day of prayer, or use their own calendar). The extra month can be called Midsummer, or Solsticy. (Or just name the months "first, second month" and days likewise).
The first day after New Year's Eve is the first day that days lengthen again in the North. That day will always be a Monday, starting the year proper.
How does the day work?
There are 100'000 seconds (instead of 86,400).
There are 10'000 tenths.
There are 1'000 minutes.
There are 100 quarters.
There are 10 hours.
And that is 1 day.
Left is new unit, right their old equivalent:
second: 0.864 old second
tenth: 8.64 old seconds
minute: 1.44 old minute (1 min, 26.4 sec)
quarter: 14.4 old minutes (14 min, 24 sec)
hour: 2.4 old hours (2 hr, 24 min)
It works out relatively niftily, to be honest.
Yes to the days of the year - only sensible way to do it. Added bonus that the first day of each month is always a Monday, which makes it easy to calculate days-of-week in your head. Also, two days holiday at new year every leap year, yeah.
Metric seconds is a bit trickier. Most units of measurement have 'time' in them in some way.
The SI is obviously that way - length is defined as metres per second of light in vacuum, mass by fixing the Planck constant in kilogram metres squared per second. But Imperial units, besides the fact that they're usually defined in law in terms of the SI, also have a lot of their derived units include time - mph and psi for instance.
Unless you're wanting to redefine basically every unit of measurement in your new system, then you need to stick with the second, which means you're stuck with ~86400 seconds per day, because that's how fast the world turns, and there's no particularly better way to subdivide it.
Although if your new calendar could also fix the damned mess that is time zones at the same time, I'd be willing to give it a shot.
The thing that fascinates me is that every single digital microwave I've ever used behaves the same way, and allows the "seconds-place" to be 0-99.
My best guesses are
Writing it in software, there are different ways that folks would probably implement it, for example, "subtract one, calculate minutes and seconds, display" seems reasonable. But nope, every one I've ever used is just the Wild West in the seconds department.
Tap into the button wiring in the control panel (if you're qualified!). Maybe you'll be able to type FF (hexadecimal) seconds, resulting in cooking time of 150+15=165 seconds!
Now seriously, a big portion of BCD (binary-counting-decimal) equipment is actually binary-to-hexadecimal but the counter is expected to reset before reaching A. Sometimes it doesn't:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvZgfj0_hJU&t=86
Another video, super compressed, by me, shot on a feature phone:
You also see it go to 3 st 14 lb, which should not be possible because it's suppoded to show 4 st 0 lb at that point. (I use kilograms, I was just wondering what the switch in the battery compartment does.) I originally thought the ASIC inside would be a kind of microcontroller stripped down to what's needed: CPU (8- or even 4-bit, likely von Neumann) with a few registers (hard to call that RAM), (EE?)PROM for the program and calibration data (there's a pair of pins labeled "CAL" for a jumper or serial interface; I won't mess with them), 1:4 multiplexed LCD driver, digital input (not even GPIO) pins for the unit switch and calibration interface, differential amplifier and A/D converter, plus some support circuitry like an RC oscillator for the CPU clock, charge pump for the LCD, low battery voltage detector and sleep/wake circuit for power saving. This could enable the same ASIC to be used in personal and kitchen scales, maybe even pressure gauges, thermometers or more, just with a different program, LCD and external components. However, now I see that there is likely no CPU because doing the math in software would make such errors impossible. So there's most likely a hardwired logic system with hardware counters (just a little more complex than those cheap 3½-digit multimeters), binary-to-hex-7seg-digit converters and a flaky analog threshold system in the st:lb mode (the kg mode is a robust 1500-count decimal counter).
So you're saying they accept up to 99 in the seconds place when typed in but go from 2:00 to 1:59? (I don't have a digital microwave at home)
so did they assume a colon was I between those? like this 1:20 instead of 120?
if not, the microwave probably either has a bad display, is is badly programmed.... or im missing something.
It’s just the way microwaves are programmed. Same reason 99 cooks longer than 100. It interprets a 100, 200, etc as minutes. I think most microwaves handle anything over 100 as minute + seconds, treating it like it had a : in there.
Well, on a more serious note, it is odd that some microwaves let you type in 90 and time down from "90" instead of "1:30". I should type in something like 190 and see what it does. My bet is it only does the weird seconds format when it's 99 seconds or less. Because obviously 100 would be a minute, not 100 seconds.
I tried 190. Its counts down 90 seconds to 1:00 before rolling over to 0:59.
190 is 2 minutes and 30 seconds.
I've also tried 0 and it just beeps.
Its counts down 90 seconds to 1:00 before rolling over to 0:59.
I love that someone made that feature.
"Look, people are morons, just let them enter up to 99 seconds"
It's just a display that's 00:00 to 99:99 it's the simplest possible logic for the use case.
That's why 00:90 is longer then 01:00. And +1:00 is less than +00:60 sometimes. You have to roll over 00:99 with +00:01 to hit 01:00.
Iv rarely seen some microwaves with a +1 second button and they act this way.
Like microwaves best as I can tell have worked like this since the 70s the expections are absurdly rare.
I used to have an old digital 24h clock and one time I was watching close to midnight. It went from 23:58 to 23:59, then a minute later 24:00 blinked for a second before it went to 0:00.
Honestly it's a nice feature.
I have a thing that takes 45 seconds to warm. I take two of them, type in 90 and it just works!
Of course that breaks down if I take four of them and type in 180, but meh. Worst case is that it'll be a little cold.
Microwaves basically always assume leading zeros so microwaves are ALWAYS in 00:00 format no matter what's displayed.
So 90 is 00:90, and the max it can do is 99:99 the moment you realize this everything makes perfect sense why they act that way.
And despite all this, Remmy P. can still form babby.
(And vote. And drive a car, keep and bear a firearm, etc.)
Scary.
No, it's not.
Scary is the guy who can form babby, and drive and own a gun, who is also absolutely and completely convinced that they are right about everything.
Remmy P is not the problem, because Remmy P encountered a situation where their poor information didn't mesh with reality and immediately stopped and asked for help. Remmy P is learning. Remmy P recognizes their ignorance.
There are people with PhDs who do not have this basic life skill.
Those people scare me. Remmy P just needs a little help.
Remember, everyone is a fucking idiot sometimes. Even (especially) smart people.
You know what, that's a fair point. It does take some humility to be able to admit that one might be wrong. And it seems like that kind of humility is somewhat hard to come by these days.
As a side note, I'm glad my early teen Yahoo Answers account was purged before I became an adult and the internet archived everything
Has science gone too far?
Around eighteen years ago I linked a Yahoo! question to a then friend of mine. He said "I love Yahoo! Answers, trolls trolling trolls."
Not sure why this comes to mind at the moment ...
My favorite story about yahoo Answers is that I was a huge troll. Like, telling people the wrong thing in recipes, and certain things was interchangeable. All lies. And I don't know shit about food.
And worse, id get lots of Helpful reviews.
Then a decade later Yahoo Answers sent me a email saying that some of my answers were Abuse and would be banned.
So for 10 whole years, my lies were up?
Then the year after, yahoo answers was deactivated.
my dyscalculia is dyscalculating (again)
You're not alone there, lol!
