The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
Right after ICE Agent Johnathan Ross executed a US citizen in cold blood
Gotta say, first time I've seen a police group so dedicated to driving home the ACAB messaging.
Any police organization standing behind what is clearly shown to be an abuse of authority by plainly recorded evidence should be disbanded, as they are clearly more interested in threats to their authority than why they have the authority in the first place.
Killing and kidnapping citizens is what ACTUALLY makes law enforcement work more dangerous, and yet this letter sure sounds a lot like "stop resisting." Hmm.
“Fucking bitches”
Pigs gonna fucking "oink".
Do Republicans have posters of Hitler in their homes?
I mean, they did rush to clear out Jonathan Ross's home before anyone else could get to it...
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So the dirty fuck PIGS have drawn their line. Cool. You are still WOEFULLY outnumbered.
Fucking bootlickers
Cops are pieces of shit, and here is the proof.
Cops and Feds wallow in the same mud.
I don't "presume innocence" when I see someone shooting someone else in the face. Kind of stupid.
It doesn't matter if a judge and jury says so or disagrees, he still shot her in the face while in absolutely no danger.
He's guilty, independent of any court ruling, it's not debatable.
The fake cop/murdeter gets innocence presumed, but not the innocent woman he executed? Every cop should get what they deserve.
Did this shitty letter come from the GOP HQ in fucking Moscow? If not, the Fraternal Order of Police is fucked in the head.
They aren't Russian, nor are they "fucked in the head", they're fascists, doing fascist stuff.
So what's the plan? Continue paying your taxes and support them?
When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bites.
Law enforcement officers wield a significant amount of power over civilians, and should be held to a higher level of standard and scrutiny. You know, with great powers comes great responsibilities.
Maybe one reason why there is systematic condemnation when a law enforcement official is involved in a crime is because the population is increasingly mistrustful because of incompetent officers that tarnishes your profession by acting recklessly and with apparent impunity?
An important aspect of policing is to defuse and deescalate situations when possible, not make a bad situation worse. This communication does none of that. If you want to regain trust, be the better person and use this tragic event to improve, not double down.
You are asking fascist paramilitary goons to be the bigger person. It's not gonna work.
Where did this come from? I'd like to see the original and it's not on their website.
I found a Breitbart article and an X post from the MNFOP. Still looking for a non-nazi source, but it's legit. Fucking disgusting pigs. The facts are already out, have been since the start.
And of course, nothing about all the bald-faced lies coming from Trump or Norm. No calls of restraint to them. These fuckers make me sick.
Not American.. Who is publishing this? I thought the important police guy from the area was calling it murder or near enough in the press?
This is the Minnesota police union. Because cops need unions but cashiers don't. I fucking hate them so much lol
Then shoot them. That's the honest to God solution right now. Our structures need to be violently torn down and rebuilt from scratch. When the government fears us, there will be liberty and justice again, and not a moment sooner.
What's your ICE bag count this week? Stop advocating for people to throw their lives away if you aren't taking the same risk.
The more we normalize stochastic force against the police, the more likely it is to happen.
People advocate all the time for people to do violence they do not personally participate in, calling for arrests, invasions, all sorts of stuff. Why is this different?
Oh but I am willing to take the same risk, I'm just not willing to do it alone. So I'm manufacturing consent so we're all on the same page. You can't expect a fire to spring up by itself, it takes fuel, a spark, and the right environment.
Though I do wonder, would your sentiment be the same if it was your family being shot like Mrs. Good? Would it still be the same if it was your children and SO being thrown into a concentration camp to be killed or trafficked to parts unknown?
If they were doing their jobs, and their jobs are "shoot people in face", then that's a job that shouldn't exist
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"The hateful and anti-law enforcement rhetoric by ...... Have made their jobs.... more dangerous and difficult"
Uh, not at all it's statements like these ones which take the side of people who are illegally kidnapping people on the streets with no due process that make it more dangerous since people get more fed up by the fact the people who are supposed to protect them are trying to murder them and lie about it.
Let me get this right. The are claiming ICE with a straight face!?
This has got to be a joke, who in their right mind would try to cover for ICE. This police union owes them nothing and if anything ICE is making policing more dangerous by allowing poorly trained officers to damage law enforcement reputation.
Police "unions" across the country are solidly pro-trump, so of course they love the brownshirts
Fair enough, I guess I would expect them to act logically since they have are supposed to support law and order. I am obviously wrong.
Oink oink is all I see here
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Fraternal Order of Police
What kind of cringe ass fucking name is that?
ACAB
It's the standard naming convention for all US police unions.
Jesus Christ whenever I read something about the Americans I can't help but remember most of them can barely read, not least armed ICE thugs.
Fucking ewwwwwwwww
TLDR; when SHTF, we’ll be with ICE.
Now please give us a donation…
~~alright let's add Minnesota to the list of states to try and economically harm~~
nvm this ain't a gov org
why, how does that solve the police problem?
puts pressure on state government to solve the police problem
Except this is the police "union" (puts shame on the word) and not the state govt.
yeah my bad I did a quick search and thought this was a government organization, not a private one
I'll revert to my previous stance of liking Minnesotans
are fraternal organizations like this even considered a union, i.e. do they represent the workers in collective bargaining?