He's a murderer, not a shooter.
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The media can't legally say "murder" unless/until there's a conviction. So it's either "alleged murderer" or "shooter", and they definitely chose of the two, the one that 'safely' implies more guilt.
One can't really reasonably fault them for that choice, if one believes in his guilt, which you obviously do.
Yup, and it's generally "alleged murderer" only after they've been charged.
Knowing how the media uses these terms helps understand where along the line things are in terms of the justice system. If I read "murder" I'd assume the guy has been convicted (so justice is being served) because of the convention of not using that word until there's a conviction. "Shooter" means he hasn't even been charged, so I know there's been no justice.
It wouldn't be good for the media to imply justice has been served when in reality it hasn't. So it's good that they call him a shooter so those of us with media literacy know the situation accurately.
Start tossing these Nazis in jail and see them scatter
Trials need evidence which Noem and others knowingly stole. Absent evidence a conviction will be hard to obtain. The state's helpless pleading here isn't about jurisdiction it's about access.
Couldn't they charge them with evidence tampering or obstruction or something?
IANAL
The Supremacy Clause of the Constitution makes this very unlikely to succeed. I'm not sure I would want to risk setting that kind of court precedent.
I don't understand but will Google. Thanks!
E: googled. Makes sense.
no they can’t, the FBI stole all the evidence
That may not have been enough, given that in incidents like George Floyd, public video postings were some of the most critical evidence. Everyone has that evidence, even if they cannot provide on-scene confirmations.
That doesn't exactly work in the murderers favour, considering now the only evidence is various videos of him doing the murder in a non-threatening situation.
What's the opposite of jury nullification?
A lynch mob?
Ehh kind of. But, you know, nullification is when the laws say they're guilty but the jury says no. Typically because the laws are unjust. But there's an opposite where the laws might say they're innocent, but the jury says guilty because the laws are also unjust.
Yeah, still sounds like mob justice. Not disagreeing with the mob in this case mind you.
Yeah, true. Too much jury nullification of any sort means you're systems are failing. Not good for a society.
ICE is the lynch mob.
About as organized as one, but by the very definition the violence done by and on order of the government can't be one.
Also jury nullification. Doesn't matter if the verdict the jury delivers is guilty or innocent, so long as the jury says one thing and thinks another it's jury nullification.
Trump can't pardon him
Trump isn't supposed to be able to do a lotta shit the fascist fuckwit is actively doing. Those checks and balances are non-fucking-existant.
Trump keeps getting away with shit on the federal level because no one is stopping him and people comply with his demands. Despite Trump repeatedly "pardoning" Tina Peters, the prison guards in Colorado are keeping her locked up and are ignoring him. Minnesota could do the same
They could but I doubt you'd get a conviction given how many boot licking citizens there are.
I'm not so sure. There are numerous widely circulated videos shot by members of the public that are easily available online. Any of those could be entered in as evidence. You just have a question of strength of case. If the video original starts 30 seconds previous and shows the agent not identifying himself and charging at the car, then you have a pretty open and shut case. The only question becomes identifying the specific agent. If ICE will not turn over the identity and it's not clear from the video, it may be more difficult to charge that person. That would lead to an interesting State versus Federal showdown where the state court would try to subpoena a federal agency, and I'm sure the federal agency would do everything possible to stop that subpoena.
They've ID'd the shooter, Jonathon Ross is the guy's name.
Yeah sure.
How many National Guard went to jail for the Kent State massacre?
Zero. Four murdered, 9 maimed.
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They could. But they won't. That would be more than just token resistance. Everybody knows the Dems are paid by corporations to only resist with words, motions, committees, and meaningless votes.
If we want accountability, we're going to have to demand it, like after George Floyd.
Only once it becomes cheaper to appease us than resist us, will we be appeased.
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"could" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
It's the same jurisdiction that put 4 cops in jail for murdering George Floyd. There's a good chance that AG Keith Ellison is looking into it
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Please prosecute him, Minnesota
Oh and this is my 150th comment here in this instance - I DON'T have to keep telling you this
Oh and this is my 150th comment here in this instance
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Weird flex, but okay
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The only justice that happens in this country anymore is vigilante
Could means fuck all. The word that needs to be used is will.
"Minnesota WILL prosecute the ice shooter."
When that is the title of an article then it means something. Until then it's all may, might, and could. Weak shit.
The Gestapo is murdering people on the street. Public executions on the streets of the Nazied States of America.
Even in the bizarro world where an arrest warrant or indictment is issued, ICE will close ranks around their brother who just got a notch on his belt. No state cops are gonna slug it out with the feds to make that arrest.
Although you're probably right, part of me really hopes that's why Walz put the national guard on standby
That's the stated reason that Walz put the national guard on standby. He said he put them on standby and that he wants ice out of our state; the implication there being that ice can leave on their own or be escorted out. He's not running for reelection so he has no reason to hold back anymore. I have never seen him quite that clipped in a press release before. He is furious. We may have ice being forcibly deported by the MN national guard shortly here and that is going to get very interesting in a lot of ways
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"Should". Whatever this is just an article nothing is going to happen. Also I don't really think prosecuting one officer is enough
The FBI is taking over the case and as such MN state prosecutors cannot access any evidence. I don't know if they can prosecute a case based on just the videos taken from bystanders, but typically there's a lot more to a legal case.
If the FBI takes over the investigation it will land on the desks of podcasters and grifters who have already gone all-in to protect their bosses from being investigated for raping children, so I don't think we're going to see anything satisfying happen here.
I don't know how many innocent people have to die or what skin color they need to have before people will broadly start to seriously think about regime change on our terms.
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Get that Nazi fuck!!!
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