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[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 126 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And the CIA had a hand in the Opium trade in Afghanistan while we were there.

The US is comically evil abroad, and getting worse domestically every day.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

US is comically evil everywhere the light touches

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 18 hours ago

That is incorrect, they are just comically evil when it comes to protecting/creating business opportunities and preserving their power/influence, which is just 99.9%

Eh, who am I kidding, the US government is so tightly intertwined with business that their diplomats might as well be marketing officials for private industry.

[–] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 days ago

Fascism is imperialism turned inward. The US fears losing its grip on power so it's begun to cannibalize itself in a desperate bid to restore its dominance.

[–] Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Literally only USA ever thought USA was the good guys

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Ehhhh, we had a perception as the big damn heroes after tipping the scales in WW2 and then with the founding of the UN, being the only member state that wasn't devastated by WW2, positioning us as the de facto enforcer. There was some very limited good work done in that context that got good press in Europe. But we were also overthrowing democratic south American nations nonstop during that time... And everything since....

There have been times that others thought we were the good guys, but they were probably just wrong.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

America had a positive perception among the countries it offered loans to help rebuild (Western European countries, Japan). Keep in mind that a lot of the colonial and slavery based wealth that Europe accrued was essentially transferred to the US during WW2. By the end of world war 2, the British empire was essentially bankrupt. Most of the world's gold reserves were now in the US and greater than 50% of global industrial output was US based so the economic outcome was immensely positive for America. It makes sense that your allies would gong your drum when you are offering to finance their reconstruction.

Essentially outside of this sphere knew the US would simply become the continuation of the British / other colonial empires and history has shown that to be true.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Somehow nobody remembers that the nazis literally copied their plan from USA.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah... All those deaths at the loss of USAID are evidence that the programs weren't doing anything in the first place.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Wouldn't it be evidence of literally the opposite? USAID shuts down, people die because of it. Therefore, USAID programs were working.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

It was sarcasm

[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

I was reading that one as sarcastic, despite lack of /s And USAID is a decent counterpoint. The US HAS done good things! We've also done a HUGE amount of horrible ones and atrocities. Also we've got a habit of ALMOST eradicating some of the worst diseases of all time from the face of the planet and then going "ehhhh, it's the third world's problem now" so they can come back some years later despite having done 95% of the work.

In the same way that billionaires can do good things, the US can do good things and still be bad. We are absolutely capable of being good. This is a choice.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The USA has funneled tens of billions of dollars into international propaganda, to the point that Albanians erected a statue praising George W. Bush for an intervention he campaigned against four years earlier.

The UK is embarrassingly pro-American, to the point of doing mass arrests of their own citizens for denouncing the Gaza Genocide. Germany is embarrassingly pro-American, with the leading parties effectively operating as proxies for the Biden and Trump administrations. The Italians endlessly pander to Americans for business investment. The Hungarians are barely more than an extension of The Heritage Foundation think tank. Alberta, Canada is fully MAGA pilled, with Ottawa close behind. Argentina is saturated in American fanaticism. Chile just flipped to a pro Trump president. The Philippines and Japan are both climbing onto the bandwagon with India and Saudi Arabia.

It's bad out there, boys.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

I wouldn't include India in that group (the relationship has soured a bit recently) but your point on the effectiveness of their propoganda is certainly valid.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 42 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Just yesterday Trump admitted it was for the oil. Which also has the benefit of distracting from the Epstein files.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Epstein Files are a distraction from the ongoing genocide in Gaza

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The ongoing genocide in Gaza is a distraction from the planet getting hotter

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The planet getting hotter is a distraction from the oppression of the non-billionaires.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There is no war but class war.

[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 4 points 3 days ago

you wake up in the Squid Games universe

every day

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Its all a d8straction from the rest, they have literally outlined this strategy in public. Fuck the issues, we all know what needs to be done.

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[–] thomasloven@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago

It’s like the old saying, ”If USA saw what A was doing to B they would invade C to ’protect D from E.’”

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 72 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Nobody pushes drugs.

Americans gobble up drugs like Hungry Hippos and the cartels are just violent psychopaths that want to be the distributors.

[–] Starski@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Lmao, you do realize that drugs are a global thing, right?

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago (6 children)

They are.

If you look up who consumes the most drugs I think you’ll find some really fun facts. Not only do more people in the US consume drugs but the quantity is also noticeably higher than anyone else.

The pusher theory is bs. Nobody is out there handing out free drugs to get people hooked.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

well...not free, but big pharma has been caught many times bribing doctors to over-perscribe addictive medications to their patients

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

Big pharma is the pusher that cartels are accused of being.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago

the cartels are just violent psychopaths that want to be the distributors.

You talking about the CIA/DEA cartel?

[–] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Afghanistan

Nothing to do with Al Qaeda

Maybe /pol/ isn't the best source for deep thoughts.

[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah that's like, a very basic fact to mess up so badly. Noone seriously disputes that Al-Qaeda did 9/11 (not just "in partnership with" as though they were along for the ride) and the country the US invaded that had nothing to do with 9/11 was Iraq, not Afghanistan.

Americans have a collective memory that lasts more than 3 years challenge (impossible difficulty)

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[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Not that the 20 year occupation of Afghanistan wasn't an absolute clusterfuck, but the Taliban were harbouring Al-Qaida leadership. To say otherwise is just denying historical facts.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

True. What's also true, and adds context to the clusterfuck, is that the Taliban wouldn't exist if the US didn't fund and arm extremists 50 years ago in order to prevent the spread of communism in Afghanistan.

In fact the US has a rich history of empowering extremists/authoritarians in order to prevent the spread of socialism or communism. It has never been about spreading democracy, even though their propoganda machine is very effective at convincing their citizens of that.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oh, hey, yes, you're right, there's that too: the US also invented the concept of the "war on terror", which has now been adopted by Israel, for example, to justify the genocide of the Palestinians. It's really handy when you can just "excuse" the cold-blooded murder of thousands upon thousands of civilians with the argument that they are all supposedly terrorists. All you have to do is say, hey, they're harboring terrorists, so let's kill them all, including the women and children - the more we kill, the better, because once they grow up, they'll all be terrorists.

[–] ahornsirup@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? That we should deny inconvenient facts because they don't fit simple black-and-white narratives? The War on Terror spawning countless atrocities against civilians doesn't retroactively justify 9/11 or sheltering those responsible for it.

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[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

israelis were killing palestinians long before the war of terror though

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[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If we really cared about drugs we would have drone struck the sackler family.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If you smoke it you're an addict, if you take it in a pill you're an upstanding citizen.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago

If you smoke it, your dealer is a scumbag criminal. If you take it in a pill, your dealer is privileged beyond all imagination.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 21 points 3 days ago

They are becoming self-aware 😮

[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 4 points 3 days ago

Well that's how a few hundred military bases can change perception lmao.

[–] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 8 points 3 days ago (6 children)
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