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China’s Economic Miracle Was Built on Mass Displacement. If you think the CCP will treat foreigners better than its own people, when it extends its power over you, please think again: Dimon Liu's warning to Canadian Parliament, warns Dimon Liu Dimon Liu, a China-born, Washington, D.C.-based democracy advocate who testified in Parliament to the Canada’s House of Commons committee on International Human Rights on December 8, 2025, about the human cost of China’s economic rise.

Liu argues that the Canadian government should tighten scrutiny of high-risk trade and investment, and ensure Canada’s foreign policy does not inadvertently reward coercion.

Liu also warns that the Chinese Communist Party [CCP] could gain leverage over Canadians and treat them as it has done to its own subjugated population—an implied message to Prime Minister Mark Carney, who has pledged to engage China as a strategic partner without making that position clear to Canadians during his election campaign.

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If you have ever wondered how China managed to grow so fast in such a short time, Charles Li, former CEO of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange, has the answers for you. He listed 4 reasons: 1) cheapest land, 2) cheapest labor, 3) cheapest capital, and 4) disregard of environmental costs ... “The cheapest land” because the CCP government took the land from the farmers at little to no compensation. “The cheapest labor,” because these farmers, without land to farm, were forced to find work in urban areas at very low wages ...

One well known incident of eviction occurred in November 2017. Cai Qi, now the second most powerful man in China after Xi Jinping, was a municipal official in Beijing. He evicted tens of thousands into Beijing’s harsh winter, with only days, or just moments of notice. Cai Qi made famous a term, “low-end population” (低端人口), and exposed CCP’s contempt of rural migrants it treats as second class citizens.

“The cheapest capital” is acquired through predatory banking practices, and through the stock markets, first to rake in the savings of the Chinese people; and later international investments by listing opaque, and state owned enterprises in leading stock markets around the world.

Chinese Communist officials often laud their system as superior. The essayist Qin Hui has written that the Chinese communist government enjoys a human rights abuse advantage. This is true. By abusing its own people so brutally, the CCP regime has created an image of success, which will prove to be a mirage.

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

thebureau.news is not a worthwhile source of information. It was founded by Sam Cooper after he was fired from Global News for his shoddy "journalism".

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It's fine to be critical and wary of China. But when you sink to using The Bureau as a source it's hard not to think you're agenda posting.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep, this OP is another clear piece of propaganda preying upon gaps in people's knowledge and served up by the same sock puppet account that's always at it in this community. Scotty is actually the type of account used for influence campaigning that Canadians should be wary of.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org -2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

@grte@lemmy.ca

@AGM@lemmy.ca

This is word by word the testimony to Canada’s House of Commons committee on International Human Rights from Dimon Liu, a democracy advocate. It has nothing to do with "The Bureau" or anything else.

Reading comprehension is a strong asset nowadays, and this second-hand intimidation doesn't make the lack of it any better.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

It's reading comprehension and media literacy that has numerous participants here recognizing your account as a bad faith actor. If anything, it's a testament to the literacy levels of people noticing.

Also, anyone who's literate in the process used by the DoD and other US security stakeholders to advance and legitimize narratives, policy and strategy via think tanks and foundations to serve US security interests will see right through the framing of Dimon Liu as a mere "democracy advocate."

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Dimon Liu, a democracy advocate.

You forgot this part:

Washington, D.C.-based

Also,

and this second-hand intimidation

Please. Spare me.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org -1 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

You forgot this part:

Washington, D.C.-based

And? If he lived in China he forcibly disappeared after his remarks.

Canada (and the rest of the democratic world) should be grateful that people like Mr. Liu speak out.

And your communication doesn't show good faith to say the least. First, you question the source. When it's clear that it's a literal statement by a person, you question the person. What comes next?

His place of living doesn't play a role and has nothing to do with the content. He is born in China and knows the country and its government, and he gave a damning testimony about China's trade policy and reliability.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If he lived in China he forcibly disappeared after his remarks.

Clearly, you are very familiar with HER background lol

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks. If you find another typo, feel free to spot it, I am out of this discussion anyway.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago

The same "typo" three times in one sentence... what are the chances? lol

Propaganda fail. Bad sock puppet.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, I still question the source. The Bureau is trash and it hurts your credibility a lot to use it. It's not the first time you've gone to that poisoned well, either.

And you don't think someone being hosted by the US could possibly have any reason to paint China as especially hostile?

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Canada and the West bad, China good, ha?

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, Canada's great. The US can fuck off, though.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The next distraction. This has nothing to do with the US here (spoiler: It's about a country in the East.)

I end this discussion now, that's a waste of time.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

I think pointing out your lousy source was a worthy use of my time, actually. It's pretty clear your ulterior motive is pushing the US perspective.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Trade is essential. It is not really optional.

So, the trick is to find the best trading partners.

I would rather not trade with China. That said, China is currently a better bet than the United Staes.

China is more conservative and takes a longer view. They want stability. They offer consistency and determinism. The United States in contrast offers chaos.

Of course China will act in their self-interest. But at least they believe that a stable and dependable global trade system is in their best interest. They will be predictable. You can anticipate their interests and plan around them. As such, they make a far better trade partner than the US.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China is more conservative and takes a longer view. They want stability. They offer consistency and determinism. The United States in contrast offers chaos.

This is a very strange framing if you read the statement by Mr. Dimon Liu. China wants to gain enough leverage over you to exploit Canadians, "low-end population" in the words of the Chinese Communist Party. It's the very same view the CCP has at home with Chinese people.

And it has nothing to do with the USA. This is a topic of its own. We must clearly conclude that China is not a reliable partner either, probably even worse. China doesn't want "stability" but rather power of you. They don't offer consistency but exploitation.

Canada must diversify its trade focusing on real allies - in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, and other countries that want to further develop democratic institutions. China isn't among these countries given their current regime.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seems the USA has tried to do the same to Canada, but they underestimated their own reliance on Canada.
USA is also actively threatening sovereignty. Canada needs to find a better partner and China currently looks better than the USA

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

China currently looks better than the USA

Don't think so. The USA increasingly becomes a dictatorship, China already is one.

Canada should diversify its trade and economic relationships with democratic countries rather than with countries like China.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

China hasn't threatened our sovereignty yet, the USA has repeatedly.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 0 points 4 hours ago

This is a distraction. Read the statement.

Cai Qi [now the second most powerful man in China after Xi Jinping] made famous a term, “low-end population” (低端人口), and exposed CCP’s contempt of rural migrants it treats as second class citizens.

And this is not the only devastating fact about China in this testimony.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Now is not the time to fall for fearmongering.

I surmise that much of this alarmism around China is to promote continued dependency on the US.

Look at where a friendly relationship with the US has left Canada.

Canada is strong enough to stand on its own two feet. It doesn't need to be a vassal of the US or China.

But it absolutely can do business with both countries in ways that are domestically beneficial. In fact it would be wise to.

Every empire commits human rights abuses. The US was built on and is expanding their abuses now. The West had no issue building empires on human and drug trafficking (colonialism). Morality is absolutely a factor when we think about who we do business with but it certainly is not the only factor. If we claim it to be the only factor then we are hypocrites.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is not fearmongering. The Chinese government considers a large part of its own citizens as "low-end population," as second-class citizens. China's economic development came and still comes at the expense of the majority of its people, and they pursue similar politics abroad.

And colonialism is a factor of its own as I have already written. This must be dealt with, sure, but it's not hypocritical if you hold the Chinese government accountable for its crimes against humanity. There is much evidence for this.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah I don't love that though many Western nations especially the US have a de facto second and third tier population through historical subjugation and predatory capitalist practices (African Americans and Indigineous people come to mind). My overall point being no empire is really "good" and so morality is only one consideration when doing business with a nation. The US entered multiple illegal wars and is committing war crimes in the Carribean today but that does not stop its allies and others from continuing to do trade with them.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org -1 points 6 hours ago

This is nothing but whataboutism.

[–] 1.ceramics926@kopitalk.net 7 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I appreciate the information here. I just wish to point out if we're talking about human displacement, Canada and the US can be accused of the same upon its indigenous populations, the practice of slavery, and a history of segregation/apartheid.

If one is highlighting this mechanism/issue to discuss the real costs of industry and economic development, I think it's a worthy issue. Were there better alternatives to what the European and Western powers ended up doing to others? I certainly hope so.

But if one frames this so called displacement as a moral issue to pretend a better or superior position, then this is delusional. I'd rather defer to the UN Declaration of Human Rights and suggest that the world should aspire to do more.

[–] Isolde@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

This is a confusing stance. You want the world to do more but are disparaging the warning someone with information is giving to a country so they are not roped into abuse.

You don’t know if there were better alternatives to what western and European powers did to others? I really do hope that you, as part of the world are contributing to the solution in some way, because it really does sound like needless culpability.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 3 days ago

This is whataboutism. The fact that Canada fails to be perfect in all regards doesn't excuse anything done by other countries.

[–] Scotty@scribe.disroot.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You may have misinterpreted the article. This is about Canada's possible future trade ties with China and the threat of political and economic coercion for all Canadian people.

There were certainly better alternatives in the past. Canada (and the rest of the democratic world) must deal with this. This is an issue of its own.

It has nothing to do with Canada-China relations and the fact that Canada must not get dependent on a dictatorial government that will exploit Canadian people, not matter who they are.

As an addition, there is a report published just yesterday by Genocide Watch, a rights group, that finds China at extermination and denial stages in Uyghur genocide:

The Chinese government continues its campaign of Mass Detention in Reeducation Camps, where Uyghur Muslims face Forced Assimilation and Cultural Genocide through CCP indoctrination and Uyghur language bans.

The entire report makes a devastating read. This happens now, in 2025.

All of the horrible things you describe have been what humans have been doing to each other since the dawn of time.

Many of the indigenous peoples of the Americas for instance practiced blood sport, ritual sacrifice and they also slaughtered their neighbors in wars. Whenever there is an organized concentration of power, atrocities are committed. The smallest nations and the briefest periods exist all over where less terrible things have happened, but it keeps continuing now... like it always has.

I'm not justifying anything. I think humanity as a species is truly horrific. We're capable of awful things, no matter how demure we may appear on the surface.. and once anyone starts getting that power the things they are willing to do simply changes. Maybe one ruler can be benign, or even two... but it never lasts. History can be forgotten, history books can be re-written, the scale of the atrocity may be different... but it's always there.

We don't really deserve anything but extinction as a species. There's no observable path forward where we will change for the better either.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

That's not really a reason not to trade with China, that's more of a reason why they should make sure they demand necessary consumer rights when they trade with China, like open hardware and software, and prevent high risk predatory practices and investments from coming over.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 5 points 3 days ago

A good warning to have about any trading partner, as we're seeing with America right now.

It's possible to trade with a country without giving them undue power over us, though.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 days ago

China is a lucrative enough market that some trade with them is inevitable, alas (and, to be honest, Canada as a whole probably can't support itself if it limits international trade to countries that have had fairly clean human rights records for the last fifty years or so—it's just too small a fraction of the world). We just have to be careful that we don't get in so deep that we can't easily pull out again.

Please let the people in positions of power in this country have learned something from the consequences of the current US administration's antics. We can't afford to put all of our eggs in one basket, no matter how large or tastefully decorated that basket is.