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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reaffimed his firm refusal to cede any territory, resisting U.S. pressure for a painful compromise with Russia as he continued to rally European support for Ukraine.

“Undoubtedly, Russia insists for us to give up territories. We, clearly, don’t want to give up anything. That’s what we are fighting for,” Zelenskyy said in a WhatsApp chat late Monday in which he answered reporters’ questions.

“Do we consider ceding any territories? According to the law we don’t have such right. According to Ukraine’s law, our constitution, international law, and to be frank, we don’t have a moral right either.”

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Europe should stop acting like Trump is a reasonable person. He is not. And he is a Russian asset.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Europe should stop acting like Trump is a reasonable person.

I'm pretty sure they are aware.

I suspect they're hoping there are still some sane heads in Washington.

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Zelensky should ask Trump how much American land he is willing to give Putin.

[–] LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

That's easy. All of it.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Well, he's already let ol' man Vlad sniff around Alaska, so...

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

When a home invader breaks in, just let him keep the living room, as long as he stays out of the kitchen and bedrooms. It's a reasonable compromise.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This reads better in the original Navajo

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[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Isnt this how russia took crimea. What makes anyone believe this'll be the last time.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

And wasn't Trump bitching about how Obama allowed Russia to take over Crimea? Yet he's doing the same, even worse right now. But of course it's hardly news to any sane person that he is a two faced lying hypocritical bitch.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Don't forget that 20% of Georgias internationally recognized borders are held by Russia as well, taken when Bush was President.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ukraine still officially contests Crimea. It hasn't been surrendered.

But there's also no real expectation Ukraine can retake the territory in their current position. And the longer the war drags on, the more territory they're in a position to lose.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The war is currently seeing a very very slow Russian advance, but Ukraine seems to finally be able to strike the Russian economy. The drone attacks against the Russian oil industry are certainly new and increase the cost of war for Russia. Germany lost WW1 without a hostile soldier on its original territory for example.

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[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 139 points 4 days ago

As an American I stand with Ukraine.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 57 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The biggest loss of the Trump administration will be that the rest of the world realized they could go on without America.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (68 children)

Good.

Meanwhile, I'm eagerly waiting for the local Tankie to, once again, explain how so much death is justified by the dire threat Ukraine poses to a 17 million square kilometer country with 5,459 nuclear warheads. And, apparently, to their own people. I'm sure NATO is still making them do it, yep.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 40 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Haven't you heard, it's because everyone in Ukraine is a nazi. Not the invader! the invadee. Nazis, all of them.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 41 points 3 days ago (7 children)

If anyone in the Trump administration had any brains at all, this would have been obvious from the outset.

The only people who can see advantage to Ukraine seeding territory to Russia, is Russia. Everyone else involved can see what a monumental tactical error that would be. Especially since everybody knows the only reason Russia is even at the negotiating table is because they are desperate, given that is the case, there is zero reason to capitulate.

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[–] sircac@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago

Slava ukraini

[–] bigmamoth@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i dont think he have a choice at that point. European leader dont hold any weight in that matter. They love to have their picture with him cause it give them a picture of politician that are in control but they arent. Even with all the money in the world ukraine can't win. They dont have enough men and even if they send women they wont be enough. The ue is actually already paying a big chunk of ukraine spending and ukraine got recently hit by a big financial/corruption scandal. No european that is abble to fight want to fight for ukraine. It s over for them and zelensky at the moment an election is held he's out. Is it fair or just ? no but life is like that. And seeing a lot of people that are convince they can send their support are disconected from the reality. About that, ukraine still recruit military personal, so put your boot where your mouth it. Just have to say u will be consider as a mercenary so geneva convention and lot of shit won't apply to you, anyway won't change much cause it s not like either side respect it.

[–] Restform@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

There are definitely people in Europe willing to fight, but joining the Ukrainian military as a foreign legion fighter or mercenary is not the same as joining the war with your own government, like you say. And saying the EU holds no weight in the matter is crazy when the EU is single handedly supporting Ukraine right now without US support for the last year.

And ceding territory is simply not an option for Zelensky, he would be overthrown the minute he tried. It's a very difficult position for him.

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Elbows up brother. We got you. 🇨🇦

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If a prolific murderer and a felon rapist pedophile were pressuring me to give up what my fellow countrymen were dying for, I'd say no too.

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[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think that's the wrong narrative.

I don't think anyone really cares much about that land. It's s mixture of mud, plastic drone remains and unexploded munitions. It's important because the defence line is there. Many people say it's rich in minerals... a lot of land is in a lot of places. Nobody is going to use this land for mining, not at any time soon.

The narrative should be security guarantees.

Because when the news says: Zelensky doesn't want to ceed land, it implies some kind of pride and stubbornness. But in reality Ukraine wants security guarantees and they would be willing to not militarily contest Crimea and even Donbas. There is no point in ceeding anything were there no guarantees. But if you get them, then a lot is on the table.

The point is it the news and everyone goes with security guarantees narrative it is a much stronger narrative: you want to exist, the enemy doesn't want you to exist. Instead of taking about land where it can all sound like it bickering about who gets what. Perception matters. A lot of Europeans don't know any the details of this war and most Americans have no clue. The narrative is important.

I got deleted from another channel "Ukraine" for this view and got called a lot of bad words and I don't know why. It's not an extreme view and I think Ukrainian government sees it like that as well.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I see it as a world litmus test for law versus force. If you get invaded and you let them take your land, no matter what it's "worth", you have been conquered.

[–] Restform@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's not even that philosophical. It really is just the simple fact that Ukraine has nothing to gain by forfeiting it's most reinforced defensive line. It took Russian 2 years to advance 30 kilometers, and tens of thousands of fatalities, to capture the relatively small town of Pokrovsk. It's incredibly expensive for Russia to make even small advancements, and now they want the most reinforced territory in the country for free?

It's a crazy demand that depends on Ukraine TRUSTING the US to come to its defence after Russia breaks the treaty, after forfeiting their defensive lines.

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[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

There are people there that just want a normal life. Conquered or not, that doesn't mean anything compared to not being bombed while they are playing with their kids.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 63 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Giving bullies what they demand usually works out super well.

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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 66 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

I'm rallied.

We all are.

It's up to the rich cunts.

And they act in their self interest, so it's basically a dice roll. Oh, also, Russia controls USA, and USA controls the world, so I'm kind of hunkering down and trying to find an AK at this point.

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 58 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I even think the headline is a little offensive, acting as if ceding land is even an option. They ceded land to Russia a decade ago and they're still getting attacked. WW2 should have taught us that you can't appease guys like Putin and Hitler.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 53 points 4 days ago

Slava mother fucking Ukraini

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