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ROUND 23:ย ๐Ÿ‡ถ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Qatar


FORMULA 1 QATAR AIRWAYS QATAR GRAND PRIX 2025


Circuit stats


  • Circuit name: Lusail International Circuit
  • First Grand Prix: 2021
  • Number of laps: 57
  • Circuit Length: 5.419 km
  • Race Distance: 308.611 km
  • Lap record: 1:22.384 Lando Norris (2024)
  • 2024 winner: Max Verstappen

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[โ€“] Goodeye8@piefed.social 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This just solidifies my belief that Mclaren doesn't have two number 1 drivers, they have two number 2 drivers. They could've had the WDC in the bag by now and instead it gets down to the last race. It's still Norris's championship to lose but if he hadn't passed Antonelli then Max winning the WDC would've been a near guarantee. It shouldn't have been this close to begin with, but because McLaren refuses to have a number 1 driver we're going to the last race with only a small advantage for Norris to win. If I was Oscar Piastri I would be looking at what other teams can offer because Mclaren is only cares about the WCC. He deserves better.

The rest of the race kinda meh IMO. I don't know how Sainz got to P3 but definitely a good job.

[โ€“] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago

Yeah I kind of agree. Norris should have eaten antonelli and sainz even today. He also bottled the start (again).

[โ€“] AliSaket@mander.xyz 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The problem is more that they make silly unforced errors. Like today, where they made a completely weird strategy call for both or last race, where they had more porpoising than they expected and got DQed. There were more of these errors during the season, albeit not often this consequential. They could have gone into the last few races just fighting it out amongst themselves, but instead they've let a third one get in between them.

If I was Oscar Piastri I would be looking at what other teams can offer

This would be even more true, if McL had decided to back Lando at the beginning of the season. It is precisely the equal opportunity in the most competitive car, that would keep him there (rule changes for 2026 notwithstanding). So the argument is exactly the opposite.

[โ€“] Goodeye8@piefed.social 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My point is that Mclaren could've decided midway through the season that one driver has more points and more wins and then backed him. Instead they decided to give both drivers an "equal" chance and in doing so let Verstappen stay as a legitimate contender for the championship. By trying to treat both drivers as the number 1 driver they've ended up treating both drivers as number 2 drivers. In that sense IMO it doesn't even matter if Mclaren had decided to back Norris from the start, Piastri would've been treated as a number 2 driver either way. That's why if I was Piastri I would be looking elsewhere because you can't trust Mclaren to have your back for the WDC. The only reason to stick with Mclaren is because they had a dominant car this year, but if next year their car isn't as dominant as this year then what's the point of sticking with them for 2027? You don't get the clearly fastest car and you don't get the full support of the team. One of the reasons Verstappen is in contention is because the team has his back completely. The team would move mountains if it meant that Max would win. Much like Verstappen Piastri probably could achieve more with a weaker car but with a team that 100% has his back.

[โ€“] troed@fedia.io 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm happy they did this. I've hated the concept of "number 2" drivers ever since the Schumacher era. All drivers should be treated equally by the team, and if they can't let's just have one car per team and double the amount of teams.

Indycar is refreshing this way.

[โ€“] Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The issue is that this is essentially impossible. First of all, any team can say "we treat all our drivers equally" and then continue preferring one driver. And McLarens call to stay out shows exactly why you can't keep things equal. The correct option would've been to call both Piastri and Norris in because that was the optimal strategy (which is why every other team made the same call) but the reason they didn't call them in was because they didn't want to compromise Norris with the double stack. The call to pit wouldn't have been fair to Norris but not calling them in wasn't fair to Piastri. Whether McLaren wanted or not they ended up with a call that benefited one driver over the other. They couldn't have treated both drivers equally even if they wanted to.

The only way drivers could even be considered as being treated "equally" is if the team chooses to back a driver on a race to race basis. If one driver is doing a better job / gets more lucky throughout the weekend then they get preferential treatment. And I think that's how we've come to the number 1 and number 2 drivers. One driver simply does better than the other. That just gets extended to the WDC where if one driver has been consistently better than the other driver they get more backing to make sure there's a chance to get the WDC. In an effort to keep things always equal you end up mistreating both drivers and leave the WDC to be snatched from the jaws of victory.

[โ€“] troed@fedia.io 1 points 8 months ago

So, again, this is not an issue in Indycar. Each car has its own crew instead of one crew trying to please two drivers.

Much more fun - and McLaren being in Indycar I actually hope this is why they (try to) do it also in F1.

Norris could of course have yelled "I'm coming in" when he saw Piastri didn't. As Piastri did pitting earlier than the team planned for the end stint.

[โ€“] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That turned out to be a lot more exciting than I feared! Not a banger by any means but I was expecting literally nothing. And all it took was an all-time blunder from McLaren. Really hard to understand their thinking but I'll take it. Having a 3-way title fight going into the last race is not exactly common so I'm not going to complain too much about this race itself being pretty uneventful as far as on-track action goes.

I think Hanna Schmidt really goes unappreciated. Red Bull are so good on strategy, always proactive and so rarely commit major blunders. Was very happy to see her both on the podium and interviewed after the race for once.

Also can't stop thinking about how much worse this could have been for McLaren if Alonso hadn't spent half the race backing up the entire field. This was already bad but imagine Oscar and Lando having to pit into heavy traffic, on a track like this? I guess the lesson for the day is that coke is good for the pit crew because that 1.8 sec stop was brilliant, but maybe don't let your strategists in on doing lines.

[โ€“] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 points 8 months ago

Schmidt doesnโ€™t go unappreciated at least on the Sky Sports coverage.

[โ€“] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago
[โ€“] espentan@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Not that many weeks ago I would've had difficulty imagining Max in the #2 spot going into the season finale.

[โ€“] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)

One question why did not McLaren use soft tires at the end ?

[โ€“] florge@feddit.uk 5 points 8 months ago

Pretty sure they'd used up all their softs

[โ€“] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They had only used softs, and deg was too high to be confident.

[โ€“] Thorry@feddit.org 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I suspect with how hard they would have to push, the tyres would explode?

[โ€“] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 points 8 months ago

Nah, they were used but well in the window. It was just the deg

[โ€“] kikutwo@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Who's getting fired at McLaren for that?

[โ€“] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Goatifi in 2021, Goatlkenberg and Goatsly in 2025

[โ€“] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Pretty safe bet Yuki will bin it on a very inopportune moment

[โ€“] hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

And the championship goes to Abu Dhabi ๐Ÿ‘€

[โ€“] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If you need to make a new arbitrary tyre rule. Due the tyres can't take this circuit. That's a bad sign. Qatar GP sucks.

Also let's go Max and Williams!