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Everything about Neil DeGrasse Tyson's latest StarTalk screams "I wouldn't like the lemmyverse" (sh.itjust.works)
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Ever since its concenption, those of us who use the lemmyverse (maybe not me) have administrated it based on all of the very things he says we should watch out for in his latest StarTalk.

Every. Last. Thing.

Ironically (to use an example) all these points he brings up also converged in the "Leni drama" where the accusers who were bringing up all these different points and invalidating people with the opposite points now look really awkward in hindsight, especially the unapologetic ones. Proof that the masses can be in the wrong.

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[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

You wanna uh, give some context? Post some clips, a link, anything at all? What the fuck is Leni lol. What were the points? What is the "lemmyverse"? I thought you meant Lemmy but then you said "(maybe not me)", which I thought you meant as in - you're not an admin on Lemmy, but that doesn't make sense either - are you an admin or not?

I swear people's writing these days is so odd, especially those on the older side, like as if it starts in the middle of an already ongoing thought or something, and is based on context we not only don't have, but there is no possible way we could have even if we knew the startalk you're referring to or if you linked it, because you don't even mention who the involved groups are. You sound like my boss who might as well speak in riddles lol.

[–] alltomorrowsregrets@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Leni made all those movies for Hitler.

[–] PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 month ago

Leni did that? Holy shit.

[–] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 month ago

Star Talk is a serial hosted by Neil DeGrasse Tyson which is kind of like what Hank Green does. He has been talking more and more lately though about the science of humanity and communication. I didn’t know if I was allowed to give direct citations here, but it can be looked up.

As for "Leni", well, that goes back a bit if you've been around for a while.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This reads like a paragraph explaining some obscure teenage drama show.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Would also really love some context here. Probably don't have time to listen to a full star talk any time soon, but if you could just hit the highlights for us, maybe?

[–] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Star Talk is a serial hosted by Neil DeGrasse Tyson which is kind of like what Hank Green does. He has been talking more and more lately though about the science of humanity and communication. I didn't know if I was allowed to give direct citations here, but it can be looked up.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm familiar with star talk, I was asking what Neil said in the podcast that made you think that he would be against the fediverse

[–] PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works -3 points 1 month ago

After watching the video myself, I found a few takeaways relevant...

  1. He is denouncing forms of crowdthink.
  2. He denounces the way people on Lemmy tend to grab sources and distribute biased knowledge.
  3. Key red flags he gives describe the core fabric of Lemmy's culture, such as when he says it's a red flag when we interpret peoples' intent for each other or try to tell each other how to feel about certain things.
  4. The very beginning of the video has him talk about the difficulty of defining a good source over a bad one due to how we cannot be certain of anything and how our ideology might be natural to us only due to our circumstances. People on Lemmy tend to not think in any terms other than "if it's what I'm accustomed to, it's right".
  5. He talks about sources in a way that makes all the instances of people on Lemmy complaining about others sealioning look bad.
  6. OP is historical on Lemmy and has seen all the things he talks about converge on her in ways that violate absolutely everything he says (one of the key ones even has a community trying to establish sealioning as inherently wrong). It's buried now, but look up material related to "Leni, "Lenny", or "Call me Lenny/Leni" (that was their full screen name). This individual who led a witch hunt against Leni (short for Madeline, if you get tired of saying Leni) even got the whole fediverse to violate the "indicting a whole demographic" red flag because this place is far from his way of thinking, not that it isn't common for them to do this to big businesses in general. I remember getting mixed into it just because I merely asked about her and shared a meme and being accused of being Leni.

I am currently running an experiment about this as an example in progress.

[–] PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 month ago

Thank you! I will check it out when I get a chance

[–] PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You dropped something.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

@Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works what does the video have to do with lemmy? He doesn't mention it once.

[–] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He mentions flaws in the way people do things which can then be applied to it.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What doesn't it apply to?

[–] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Most things are relevant to certain points, but most things also aren't relevant to all the points.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Those are words but you're saying nothing at all. "It depends" isn't a serious answer. Everything depends on something.

[–] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not what I was saying (and why be so objectivist when you don't understand something).

Most things (as in anything you might be thinking of) is relevant to certain points (in the lecture), but most things (as in anything you might be thinking of) aren't relevant to all the points (there are twelve points; most things are relevant to a few points).

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

More word-drivel. Are you passing this through an LLM?

[–] Jedikkeneus@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

No. Have you? There's something concerning here if the spotlight in the conversation is on someone thinking there's no difference between subjectively being unable to understand something and something being objectively difficult to understand.