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[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 33 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Young boys are exposed to near constant right wing internet programming and are increasingly attacking girls in school, verbally and physically, starting as early as elementary school.

Combine that with largely apathetic and inattentive parents + very few male teachers and school is becoming an absolute nightmare for everybody

This essentially reflects the rise in incel school shooters except these young men just grow up to become bitter right wing misogynistic bigots instead. They have nowhere to go but right

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 10 hours ago

in r/teacher sub, the hs students are doing that, specificaly the male students have become more disrespectful towards female teachers.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 15 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

The good news, I guess, is that people can get better. I was one of those people who moved further right in young adulthood. I'm glad the social media and such didn't exist then as I was not equipped to handle that by my upbringing and would have fallen right into that trap. We just had Limbaugh and Beck and the like. At some point, I pulled a 180 and, now in my mid-40s, find myself probably somewhere around center-left to left as most western European countries might define that.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Not really a coherent philosophical narrative for them to latch onto; 'the world is fucked, they're fucked' is the main message they hear.

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[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

I think toxic podcasts have a big influence on young men, especially those who grew up without strong father figures. My own dad wasn’t perfect (I joke a bit about it on my profile), and many of us went through that risky “2015 phase” of consuming unhealthy online content.

What many politicians and advocates on the left often overlook is that toxic masculinity isn’t solved by telling men to be “less masculine.” You can actually counter unhealthy masculinity with healthy masculinity. Instead of shaming men, we should be teaching a better version of manhood one that includes therapy, emotional intelligence, and being able to talk honestly about what’s going on inside.

As corny as it sounds there's a reason when there's a bad take by a misinformed feminist calling all men evil on twitter ganders a response like "This is why men turn right" and sure while that stuff doesn't work on me anymore, It's not 2015-2016 there's still some vulnerable people that unfortunately fall for it, does that mean though that the feminist is wrong in her views? Not really, but I'm not talking about myself I'm talking about a lot of men that do fall for it.

Most working-class men who grind through 9–5 jobs, going from shift to shift, are worried about affordability and stability. If someone comes along and says “I’m going to make your life easier,” that’s who they’ll vote for even if it’s Trump. You can call them naïve or say the leopards ate their face or whatever , but the reality is that many of these men are desperate for change. And they’ll keep voting for whoever promises that change. When society pushes these men aside or dismisses them, some end up looking for someone to blame. That’s when you get people saying, “Women are the reason my life is hard,” or “Jews control everything.”

Of course, some people are genuinely racist or sexist, and there will always be trolls who just want attention. But why do those trolls exist in the first place? Often it’s because they feel insignificant, and attaching themselves to extreme movements gives them a sense of identity and purpose they don’t have otherwise.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 10 hours ago

jordan peterson, and joe roegan under putin played a big part in shoring up gop support in the usa, and then the other right wing talking heads. tate brothers is just a side benefit, which are borne out of the toxic pickup artist games.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 9 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

One of my favorite counter-arguments (so to speak) against Toxic Masculinity being the "true" masculinity is that it's based so much on toughing out emotions, denying them, not showing physical or emotional weakness, etc. Yet, this misses the incredible display of deep confidence and self-image that come from being able to display humility, compassion, and sadness without feeling like that's a risk to your "manliness".

If what defines someone as a man is based so heavily on what others think of them or code them as, they are actually saying other people control whether or not they are considered masculine/manly, which is not very Alpha Male of them.

On Parks and Recreation, Ron Swanson wins an award and teases Leslie Knope about it. She ends up saying to him, "That's not really the attitude I'd expect from an award winner." He responds, "Everything I do is the attitude of an award winner, because I have won an award." I feel like this can be adjusted for anyone self-identifying as "masculine", "feminine", or any other such thing - "Everything I do is inherently manly, because I am a man." (adjust as appropriate)

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 points 14 hours ago

That last part reminds me of a 4chan (?) meme of the Chad saying that he knows that trans women are women because he's straight so everyone that he likes is a woman.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Could you name a few books by "advocates on the left" that criticise masculinity but argue for less masculinity rather than a redefinition of masculinity?

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 23 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (4 children)

A few incels snuck into this comment section

If "the left" called you "a bigot" or "sexist" or "isn't letting you find a wife" you're probably a sexist bigot no one would touch with a 10-foot pole.

Every damn time "men's issues" come up there's like 100 dudes saying one of the issues is "can't find a wife". We all know what that means. Go jerk off. Politics is above you.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 12 points 17 hours ago

My favorite are the incels on reddit et al that talk about how family courts are stacked against them and that the women leave them and "take everything"

I worked as a family lawyer before, men didn't even show up in 9/10 cases.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 8 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I don't think this is factual. I think there are many reasons why families have declined.

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

My teen observed ….. guys are more likely to appreciate edgy, crude or offensive humor. Guys are more likely to be entertained by those assholes, even if they don’t agree with their message

[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 21 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Most queer folks have a darker, edgier, more offensive sense of humor than the average right-winger and they tend to skew left so I don't think it's the humor that's winning them over.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

I think they mean dark humour as in "scream a racial slur as loud as possible and call it a joke."

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 14 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Reminds me of a time I was at a party and this dude is like "hey I've got this super funny song, wanna hear it?" Then after folks agree to hear it he thinks for a second "also it kinda has some bad words, is that okay? You're not gonna get offended?" Then plays a song that just has a bunch of racial slurs for shock value and nothing funny or redeeming about it. I don't think a single person laughed and I hope it was as awkward for him as it seemed like it could've been

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[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

I guess what I'm getting at is we shouldn't let them get away with claiming that they like humor when they clearly just like bigotry. Humor takes nuance.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Things are looking up for this 59 year old left winger.

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