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[–] Zanathos@lemmy.world 1 points 33 minutes ago

No wonder they are trying to suppress women's ability to vote again. I'm fairly certain women outnumber men just given by a statistical outcome of X vs Y chromosome at birth. I'm not certain but there's probably a statistical study somewhere out there that a left leaving woman married to a right leaning man will vote right due to proximity. I've seen the former example in real life many times over sadly.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

The comments here on this Lemmy post can serve as a perfect demonstration for the reason behind men turning right-wing. Any comment trying to point out some specific aspect of life where men are experiencing more hardships is immediately shut off and getting told these experiences and concerns are invalid.

There is a limit to how much "fuck you" one can hear before going "well, fuck you too".

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 2 hours ago

You boys better start getting real into fucking each other

[–] JesusTheCarpenter@feddit.uk 8 points 3 hours ago

The joke is on the right-wing men. Good luck finding female partners. Also, the best time to be a left leaning progressive guy.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

I mean I'm on the left and even I'm getting tired of hearing how all men are trash, which seems to be the only message about men I hear. Young men are only being courted by the right, and the left doesn't seem to care or even seems proud about it.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 2 points 29 minutes ago

I've never in my entire life heard a single person say that all men are trash. I think you're either lying or exaggerating, and you haven't either.

Pointing out that some men do horrible things is a common observation. Asking that men stop other men from doing bad things is another thing that could sounds burdensome. I can see how these types of statements might upset you if you're missing the context or the speaker is unclear. But neither of them is equivalent to saying that all men are trash.

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 10 points 4 hours ago

Where the hell are you hearing this? Genuinely, i have not encounteted this perspective for years now, so the fact you consider it the only perspective on the left feels crazy

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

probably a lot of genz showed a signicant shift towards right wing , most likely has to do with right wing pundits, like j peterson, joe roegans, TPUSA,,,etc.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 4 points 5 hours ago

Let me remind you that they are simply left to sink or swim in a survival situation where the world seems to want them dead.

My own mind goes to eugenicy places when I realize what world we live on.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world -4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

the left doesn’t seem to care

So if a guy beats up a woman your compliant here is the woman should placate him to make him stop somehow.

[–] Ougie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

See this is exactly what GaMEChld is talking about, with the first mention of men the first thing you thought about was assault. As if this is the norm yeah? An inherent trait of normal people. Men, what do they do? In their free time they watch football and assault women. Smh You need to surround yourself with normal people my friend

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world -3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

how do you incentivize against dominating women for sexual gratification? it's hard, especially when they have been indoctrinated since they were around 10-12 years old through major media and online pornographic content.

now it's almost impossible to stop as they become adults and have been given permission from their role models that their behavior is not only acceptable but it's the only way to live.

mark my words, a large percentage of gen-z males will become domestic terrorists because they feel they have been mistreated and abandoned by society.

if you have young daughters, teach them self-defense early and make them aware of the dangers these men pose to their safety when they come of age.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 2 points 49 minutes ago

Y'all worried about the guys, but what about the bears? Women already prefer them, but those mammals also sketch af

[–] JesusTheCarpenter@feddit.uk 3 points 3 hours ago

As a man I would genuinely like to thank women for holding the torch of progressivism.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 7 points 6 hours ago

This means that left-leaning men will raise happier families, while the incel-aligned will have their own bloodlines end in deserved extinction. 🎉

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 27 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Young boys are exposed to near constant right wing internet programming and are increasingly attacking girls in school, verbally and physically, starting as early as elementary school.

Combine that with largely apathetic and inattentive parents + very few male teachers and school is becoming an absolute nightmare for everybody

This essentially reflects the rise in incel school shooters except these young men just grow up to become bitter right wing misogynistic bigots instead. They have nowhere to go but right

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

the incel thing is such a self fulfilling prophecy - they embrace it then can't imagine why women recoil from them. so they further radicalize.

nice job conservatives, you really fucked up an entire generation

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

its a negative feedback loop. J peterson, and joe roegan, shapiro achieve that by negative reinforcement.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I like how the maga women are leaving their maga husbands even in White House it’s like yeah…just wearing an maga hat doesnt make you as alpha as you thought bro. On that note I wish Steve miller gets swallowed by his top lip one day.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago

in r/teacher sub, the hs students are doing that, specificaly the male students have become more disrespectful towards female teachers.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 12 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

The good news, I guess, is that people can get better. I was one of those people who moved further right in young adulthood. I'm glad the social media and such didn't exist then as I was not equipped to handle that by my upbringing and would have fallen right into that trap. We just had Limbaugh and Beck and the like. At some point, I pulled a 180 and, now in my mid-40s, find myself probably somewhere around center-left to left as most western European countries might define that.

[–] thisorthatorwhatever@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Not really a coherent philosophical narrative for them to latch onto; 'the world is fucked, they're fucked' is the main message they hear.

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[–] IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

I think toxic podcasts have a big influence on young men, especially those who grew up without strong father figures. My own dad wasn’t perfect (I joke a bit about it on my profile), and many of us went through that risky “2015 phase” of consuming unhealthy online content.

What many politicians and advocates on the left often overlook is that toxic masculinity isn’t solved by telling men to be “less masculine.” You can actually counter unhealthy masculinity with healthy masculinity. Instead of shaming men, we should be teaching a better version of manhood one that includes therapy, emotional intelligence, and being able to talk honestly about what’s going on inside.

As corny as it sounds there's a reason when there's a bad take by a misinformed feminist calling all men evil on twitter ganders a response like "This is why men turn right" and sure while that stuff doesn't work on me anymore, It's not 2015-2016 there's still some vulnerable people that unfortunately fall for it, does that mean though that the feminist is wrong in her views? Not really, but I'm not talking about myself I'm talking about a lot of men that do fall for it.

Most working-class men who grind through 9–5 jobs, going from shift to shift, are worried about affordability and stability. If someone comes along and says “I’m going to make your life easier,” that’s who they’ll vote for even if it’s Trump. You can call them naïve or say the leopards ate their face or whatever , but the reality is that many of these men are desperate for change. And they’ll keep voting for whoever promises that change. When society pushes these men aside or dismisses them, some end up looking for someone to blame. That’s when you get people saying, “Women are the reason my life is hard,” or “Jews control everything.”

Of course, some people are genuinely racist or sexist, and there will always be trolls who just want attention. But why do those trolls exist in the first place? Often it’s because they feel insignificant, and attaching themselves to extreme movements gives them a sense of identity and purpose they don’t have otherwise.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago

jordan peterson, and joe roegan under putin played a big part in shoring up gop support in the usa, and then the other right wing talking heads. tate brothers is just a side benefit, which are borne out of the toxic pickup artist games.

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

One of my favorite counter-arguments (so to speak) against Toxic Masculinity being the "true" masculinity is that it's based so much on toughing out emotions, denying them, not showing physical or emotional weakness, etc. Yet, this misses the incredible display of deep confidence and self-image that come from being able to display humility, compassion, and sadness without feeling like that's a risk to your "manliness".

If what defines someone as a man is based so heavily on what others think of them or code them as, they are actually saying other people control whether or not they are considered masculine/manly, which is not very Alpha Male of them.

On Parks and Recreation, Ron Swanson wins an award and teases Leslie Knope about it. She ends up saying to him, "That's not really the attitude I'd expect from an award winner." He responds, "Everything I do is the attitude of an award winner, because I have won an award." I feel like this can be adjusted for anyone self-identifying as "masculine", "feminine", or any other such thing - "Everything I do is inherently manly, because I am a man." (adjust as appropriate)

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 9 hours ago

That last part reminds me of a 4chan (?) meme of the Chad saying that he knows that trans women are women because he's straight so everyone that he likes is a woman.

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