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I miss forum signatures. The best you can usually get these days is a tiny little piece of flair. It would be fun if Lemmy or something supported forum signatures, though I suppose the moderation for that could be annoying.
I just really liked that level of expression.
I miss them too. I used to love designing little banners, and choosing the most appropriate quote to communicate my teenage angst.
Signatures were so silly but fun. I doubt you could do something similar today. Too many people are so cynical and would dismiss it as stupid. Back then you could be more silly on the internet without immediate backlash of people putting you down.
Couldn't agree more. I don't miss getting information from forums. A voting system for posts and comments makes it easier to filter out the bullshit and get straight to the answers. It also encourages people to make more helpful replies so that they get upvoted. Definitely don't miss the days of going through pages and pages of dumb, pointless replies, just to get to the one comment with the helpful response.
What I miss is the same thing you do: the fun part of forums. The signatures, avatars, ranks and titles. The sense of community, because everyone knows each other and they all post regularly. You don't get the same sense of community on a social media platform like Lemmy. Just strangers sharing their opinions and nobody remembers anyone.
I miss Livejournal, the original Livejournal where you were able to tell people intimate things about yourselves and make friends for life.
I feel like forums sucked too because of the lack of sorting.
They just don't scale well to many users. Once you hit a certain number of users, without some method to sort, its just information overload.
Hell, forum threads that are too long inevitably go completely off the rails and become off topic troves.
I think there has to be a better intermediate format, like perhaps a mix of systems, but I think the main thing that makes reddit-likes suck, is their systems of governance.
Something I realized very quickly with lemmy for instance, is that its the not at all benevolent dictator positions that are the big problem. The main incentives for people choosing to spend their time in mod positions still remains to impose their will, whether that be their opinion or power over others speech.
There is something at its core which is wrong with this system at scale. It allows for mods to collect up critical masses of people before then knowing that due to that critical mass they have captive audiences where there is high friction to leave or start something else.
Lemmy has a very bandaid "solution" for this in that there can be multiple of any given community/subreddit, but they all suffer from the fact that whatever a moderator wants is what happens, and even in the worst case scenarios, that is just moved up one layer to admins, who are incentived to appear as hands off as possible on moderators, lest they get turned on by the people who "help" them.
Reddit sucks because of a lot of other profit driven reasons, but I think this is the main structural problem and lemmy shares in this.
Forums have this problem too by the way, but its just that forums are so separate and so bad at handling massive amounts of casual users, that they run into this far less.
I want to write mails for mailinglists again :(
You guys are missing out on my badass image signatures.
I had a ton of great ones back in the day on fbody.com (if you're not a car person, it's not what you think.)
I definitely miss being able to search the internet for helpful forum posts. The fact that most things are on discord now and not internet searchable is extremely annoying and only going to get worse.
Not really. There are so many comments in a single Lemmy thread that continuing it would be a fools errand. Old forum threads were not much better besides often having more direct conversations with people. But I find that to be much better on Lemmy than on Reddit too.
Similarly to forums, Lemmy is small enough that you often recognize usernames and recognize who it is and what they've talked about recently. E.g you might kinda know what's going on in their lives.
The absolute pain of opening an old forum thread with an exact solution/guide and all of the images are long gone.
Of course asking for the same solution on reddit will get you a 300 long chain of useless comments.
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Everyone here saying they still exist.
That’s not the point.
The variety and quantity have all been replaced by spaces like Facebook, Youtube, Discord, and Reddit. Heck, I used to help run two gaming phpBB forums and participate in several others. They’re all gone or the groups have moved to Discord or whatever. PhpBB forums were usually run by private individuals, modded by those with shared interest, and subsisted on donations to run if the owner didn’t just pay for it out of pocket. It was still a little bit of the “old internet” where anyone could create their own slice of it for next to nothing.
I miss them because is was a concentration of each niche and there usually wasn’t much competition. No competition for “likes” or whatever. More of a conversation. If you were into something like old tractor restoration (this one still exists as a forum), you could find a wealth of knowledge in text and photo form, videos, if any, are short and generally to the point without deliberate monetization. I absolutely cannot stand YT as a “information” source because of the constant fluff generation to extend the video for adspace and groveling for subscribers. But that’s a whole different rant.
Anyway, yeah…some forums do still exist. Thankfully they’re generally pretty good at what they do. The others have vanished or moved to corporate social media platforms.
Yeah, forums exist but they have a real hard time growing their userbase these days. It's just more deliberate to visit a particular forum's website, then usually click on a subforum, then look at a thread, and then see its contents. Then you might be on page 37 of a thread and people are all discussing that post from page 33. It's slow compared to something like Reddit/Lemmy or Xitter style sites that put the content right in your face without having to look around.
I'm prone to falling for this myself even as I lament forums growing quiet. But I guess the best thing to do is link directly to forum threads from other social media and hope enough users trickle in.
What I REALLY hate is Discord servers replacing forums for things like video game FAQs and it's really hard to find the latest announcement, bug workaround, or whatever without butting into the conversation and asking (you're the 48th person to ask today and people are a little annoyed).
Discord’s format 100% absolutely sucks. It’s like they took one look at how forums normally work and decided to do the exact opposite and mix it with IRC to boot. I almost never use it.
Everyone here saying they still exist.
That’s not the point.
:-/
It kinda is, though. "I'm here, rather than over there, because I'd rather product content complaining about a lack of a thing than adding to the content of the thing I say I wish I had".
I miss them because is was a concentration of each niche and there usually wasn’t much competition. No competition for “likes” or whatever.
I think its easy to mis-remember the past. But the idea that people on forums weren't competing for attention, or that whole communities weren't competing for degrees of participation, is a product of nostalgia. Jump over to 4chan - a very Old Internet relic - if you don't believe me.
The thing you remember was the fun you had in your younger days doing a thing you were passionate about. And the thing you hate about Social Media is largely the absence of fun.
I'll tell you what was good about the old school forums. Once you got up the right combination of browser add-ons, there were no ads. I go on Instagram now and I'm getting 2-3 ads for any given real post. I'm getting a flood of click-bait "Suggested For You" content I didn't subscribe to or ask for. I'm getting pop-ins and notices and updates and reminders shoved on me. That's what fucking sucks in Web 2.0/3.0 Just a deluge of corporate shit raining on you at every interaction.
But this dogged insistence that the newer model of forum organization - the Reddit or Wikipedia content ranking formula, rather than the traditional Groups organized by Last Update - is somehow ruining the internet... I just don't see it. What I see with the newer model is more images and videos, which would have sunk an old school dial-up powered forum 30 years ago.
And I think what old-heads are really asking for is a community that doesn't use thumbnails/images/videos in the feed. And I'm sympathetic to that. I'm just not nostalgic for fucking WoW forums or SomethingAwful posters or 90s-era content rings. Just like with the modern internet, that era was choked with shitty posters, bot posters, and endless scams. Those things just weren't memorable in the same way as the fun stuff.
When someone says “I miss the old forums” I think they probably know they still exist and are lamenting the lack of the ubiquity of them and not a total disappearance.
As for the rest, yeah. The internet has always been that way. Shitty mods, trolls, whatever.
If you spend enough time and effort in selected communities on Lemmy you can get a similar experience.
And of course the necro-haters when you reply to something that is older than a week. So the spirit of old times is still there.
Yes and no... I miss the internet from the time period of traditional forums; but the forums themselves... I'm not 100% sure. The community feel was arguably better back then, and I do agree with you about not paying attention to usernames on Lemmy or Reddit vs getting to know specific users. There's something about associating an image, or a signature with a user that we don't really get on the more modern platforms.
I think it's a problem of scale. Lemmy and Reddit have very large user-bases for a plethora of topics and interests, all congregated within a common location. Forums were for specific sets of interests with recurring, smaller user-bases.
Maybe we could get something that's a hybrid of both by bringing back signatures with animated gifs at the end of each post we make on Lemmy.
I miss them so badly
This is such a disappointing alternative
It seems a lot of people feel that way. Enough people to revive forum usage, I believe - we should put our heads together in places like https://lemmy.world/c/forums and promote forum usage, as well as shared different forums we've been posting on
I still use a few
Still on a forum for sports
I was just thinking, the optimal "reddit"-type site should have been just a big list of links to different forums, and nothing more
I prefer and always have preferred a vote system like we have here. Forums made paralel conversations impossible to follow, gave a bigger voice to trolls and made finding information in big threads difficult. I absolutely hated the common answer to a question being "search the forum". I already have Jared, the search function is trash and the information is scattered and outdated.
What aspect I do miss is the fact that threads stayed relevant for more than 24hrs. I think a combination of the two systems would work for a forum 2.0, where ranking is based on activity and votes, so a post gets pushed back up in ranking if it's still active and relevant, instead of just taking raw votes and age in considerarion, but also the comments within are grouped in conversations based on who replied to who and can move up and down based on activity and age.
I like this better.
The threaded conversations allow a useful interesting discussion to continue, even after some random person's comment details half the participants.
I do too, but all the ones I used to visit have gone offline, and whenever I try looking for one on some relevant topic the most recent post is from 2017.
Are there forums on Lemmy? I thought it was just memes.
You're in one right now. Lemmy is basically a forum: people can make posts and reply to them. The only difference is the points system.
Like I say in the OP, Lemmy and other Redditlikes have a default post sorting algorithm that prioritizes new posts over old but still active posts. This has a huge impact on the culture of the site. Topics are more ephemeral. Once they drop off the first page nobody will ever see them again.
On a forum, if a person wants to make frequent updates over a long period of time on a single topic, they can make a single megathread that stays visible as long as new replies keep coming. On Lemmy et al. the topic quickly drops off the radar no matter how many people reply, meaning if the OP wants to make frequent updates on a similar topic they have to keep making new posts if they expect people to reply.
Let's say I'm on a car enthusiast forum, for example (IDK anything about cars). And let's say I'm restoring an old car and want to share my progress over the course of months. I can make a single topic about my project and post replies to it with pics and updates about what's going on. As long as I keep updating or as long as people keep commenting on what's already there the topic remains relevant and more importantly visible, and could remain so for years or even decades.
Now let's imagine the same project on a Redditlike site like Lemmy. Yes I can do the same thing as above, make a single post and keep replying to it, and people can chime in with comments. But because the default sorting algorithm causes older posts, no matter how active, to drop off over time, I'll be replying to the void since nobody will see the post. In order to maintain the same level of visibility and interaction, I have to make new posts for each update. It's less likely that my project will become an enduring part of the community's history because it will either get swept away by new content if I use a single topic, or be scattered across several disparate posts.
Other differentiating factors that people have brought up are signatures and avatars. Avatars are really small on these sites and there are no sigs at all. These were modes of self-differentiation on forums, allowing individual users to be more recognizable and allowing connections between users to develop. On Redditlike sites you're just a username and maybe a little icon, making it harder to see anything but disembodied ideas floating in the ether.
Yes I can make Lemmy behave like a forum by sorting posts by latest comment and using the "chat" display option for comments, but nobody else does that so posts will get swept away by new ones for them even if they aren't for me, meaning the culture never grows around this system.
RIP Blizzhackers
I miss dial-up BBSes that had nothing more than a wall of text, like SASSy was in Montreal. Single line system, no user names or logins, 7 bit ASCII, no colors, no sound, no files.
You just kept dialing until you got the line. Then you'd download all the lines from the last line you left off, then either typed in your stuff or pasted it. If you were super lucky, the sysop would barge in while you were typing.
It was great. Really felt like technology and people mixing well, we even eventually met IRL with "GT"s, Get Togethers.
I miss the sense of fun and adventure and my youth. Especially my youth.
I get the nostalgia, but I do like the thread format of modern forums. Sometimes I don't want to wade through subtopics that people are discussing. I'll just collapse the whole thing and focus on what I want to read. I think it's nicer this way.
Like others I also appreciate threaded comments here.
But for many niches - forums still abound. I regularly participate in four for specific interests.
On the flip side I loathe the attempt to replace forums not with Lemmy/reddit-like tools but with Discord.
Ugh.
Ugh indeed! Discord is an information black hole, where information enters never to be found again by search engines or even its members
I can understand replacing IRC with Discord, but using Discord as a forum is madness
Depending on the topics, Whirlpool is still pretty active: https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/
Lmao I totally thought it was a forum of hot tub enthusiasts.
I miss the annonimity of them, and the lack of robots crawling them
I like forums, but maybe I'm part of the problem. I've read a forum obsessively for years without registering an account. Even when I have an account, I rarely post/comment. I've been reading Lemmy almost daily for over a year before registering an account and don't reply much even with an account. Decentralization starts with individuals, so I'm going to try to add signal to the fediverse.
I generally prefer the traditional flat forum UI with oldest first, but that's mostly a client issue. The problem though is if others are using a different UI the conversation may flow differently (think threaded vs flat forums).
RE karma, a lot of forums show post counts and like counts next to their forum profile, which is often included in every reply, so in some ways, the likes (karma) was a little more in your face. I think there was less astro turfing due to scope of benefit. What I mean is that while traditional forums were decentralized, so was the account and its reputation, so karma (like/post count) farming was isolated to that specific forum/community and if you were astro turfing, you'd get banned and lose that and could not transsfer that to other forums. Services like reddit effectively make this transferrable between forums. I'm concerned about how this will play out as decentralized platforms grow. It could be worse than reddit. I've been trying to come up with ways to handle this, but I can find flaws in every idea I've had so far.
