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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

You have been banned from lemmy(dot)ml for Russophobia!

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You Americans are experts at outsourcing any homegrown problem, aren't you? Drug problems? Venezuela. Radical right wing in the core of the imperial west winning the elections? Russia's fault.

Mother of God, your international propaganda apparatus is so pervasive that I needed to exchange euros to dollars the other day and I could recognize the faces of your fucking 200 year old founding fathers on the bills by name and surname, and you STILL believe that propaganda problems in the USA are due to Russia?!

[–] Reginald_T_Biter@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

As a proud new york man person that eats new york a style a hot dog, I am upset about zohron mudani and his plan to turn hot dogs into gay communism.

posted from iphone in Sri Lanka

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I wonder if anyone feels like having some fun by combing through fox news and presidential retweets to find instances of overseas influencers fucking with our politicians.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I am maga from Texas, I say we secede from librul states, we have all we need, like warm-water port for naval and industry.

[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I love that Lemmy is building its own collection of epic moments.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone who's from Youngstown immediately knows it's fake because the steel industry died there about 50 years ago or so and it's never recovered. It's depressing as hell.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 hours ago

It's a double joke, it's literally an adaptation of a Russian meme of "I is simple Russian worker Ivan from city Tver, we very respect mighty jade rod comrade Xi, every week we discuss achievements of Chinese leader and communist party, a hit", roughly translating the grammar.

https://pikabu.ru/story/ya_prostoy_rabochiy_ivan_iz_gorod_tver_8094383

^that kind

[–] AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world 10 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

"Warm water port"

Online campaigns to shift geopolitical agenda are deeper and far more vast than just the big numbers.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, yes. As a patriotic American I love our warm water ports like Corpus Christi and Tampa. Don't you love warm water ports as well?

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Can someone explain this? I've never heard the the term referring to anything other than a port that doesn't freeze over but it clearly has another meaning that I can't figure out or even find with a search.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

It's a real geopolitical problem for Russia. Russia got screwed by geography in terms of natural harbors that don't freeze over in the winter. It's why they've always had a crap navy, going way back into the imperial days.

Right now, the Russian Navy is based in Murmansk (brrrr. limited routes to get out into Atlantic) and the Black Sea. The Black Sea is bad for them because Turkey (a NATO member) makes sure to maintain total control of what passes through the Bosphorous.

Part of what Russia did in Syria during the civil war netted them a lease on a base on the Mediterranean. That could have had some use for power projection, but I think they lost it when a certain opthalmologist was expelled.

Anyhow, it's hilarious when the trolls posing as MAGA Americans bring this up, because real Americans just take their total abundance of ports that don't freeze over completely for granted. That's why I point out secondary, less busy port cities on the Gulf of Mexico, where the water is actually pretty warm (instead of just not freezing over). Just to highlight how good the US has it. Even if we were forced to give up Norfolk and Coronado, there are plenty of other suitable places we could have naval bases.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 hours ago

Right now, the Russian Navy is based in Murmansk (brrrr. limited routes to get out into Atlantic) and the Black Sea. The Black Sea is bad for them because Turkey (a NATO member) makes sure to maintain total control of what passes through the Bosphorous.

Technically the Baltic fleet was in Soviet times the most respected part of the navy. With Riga and Tallinn being capitals of other nations, that's a bit less pronounced now, but coast guard and missile cruisers and marines are still important forces to have.

That could have had some use for power projection, but I think they lost it when a certain opthalmologist was expelled.

No, they made a deal with his beheading and allahuakbaring successors. Not sure how good a deal, but apparently the other side upholds it for now.

because real Americans just take their total abundance of ports that don’t freeze over completely for granted.

Honestly this is not as important as it seems. Russia doesn't have the kind of ships to use global logistics and network of good ports as a system of power projection. Air carriers, all that. While Bosphorus is not such a big deal, of course it's leverage, but Turkey does let Russian ships out and back.

And Vladivostok, despite being for Russia efficiently as if on another continent, is a warm water port with good location, and used as such, including militarily.

Your judgement in some way shows the same bias as you named.

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Very interesting! Thank you!

[–] rapchee@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

is it maybe that americans don't think in those terms, but it is more relevant to russian strategic thinking, becuase they don't have those?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's fucking foreign grifters, because in the present day you can make money from being an "influencer": all that fucking shit in the US has attracted every Techology savy, English-speaking scammer in the World because every fucking asshole with a computer and an Internet connection in his mother's basement in bumfuck shitty-shit town in frigging Romenia can make more money in a day as an "influencer" feeding prejudiced, socially inept, delusions-of-grandeur-holding Americans with outrage that they can in a month working whatever job is available for them in shitty-shit nowehere-ville.

(Ditty for American grifters, by the way)

It's targetting mainly the MAGAs because they're the less intellectually capable population segment in the US, hence make for much easier marks.

Populism-dominated America together with the ability for "remote work" on the Internet and how one can make money from views has led to a fucking freeding frenzy for every tech-abled scammer with an internet connection and decent English-speaking skills in the World.

I bet this whole phenomenon is mainly a "emergent property" of the rewards and access structures in place in Social Media and that the top-down organised ops from state actors are but a tiny fraction of this shit show.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

foreign grifters

I think its far more likely for GOP/MAGA to be buying twitter "engagement" on Fiver, than grifters "launching influencer careers" by directing MAGA fans to their other socials? or spamming affiliate purchase links on twitter?

A key question/reality check is that instead of treating MAGA fanaticism as foreign agent propaganda, it is GOP propaganda outsourced to cheapest providers.

There is a lot of foreign support for Trump among foreigners and immigrants (prior to elections anyway). What they all have in common is a hatred for the US, and a deep thirst for trans/woke outrage click bait. While it doesn't affect foreigners in any good way, "at least he's doing a great job on the mexican rapist invaders" is only point of approval support remaining. Really, where Trump fanaticism was resurected was purely on anger towards a trans inclusive world order. Every other policy is just brainwashing people who come for the anti-trans circlejerk, but stay for the tax cuts for oligarch climate terrorists.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago

Por qué no los dos?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

It’s targetting mainly the MAGAs because they’re the less intellectually capable population

I've seen a flood of "I'm a Palestinian who is struggling to survive, please send me money" posts and PMs on BlueSky and Instagram and other liberal-leaning social media. Folks love to believe their team is the "smarties" and the opposition is the "dummies". Nobody likes to believe they'd be ripe for exploitation.

Consequently, your refusal to believe in your own gullibility and bias opens you up to scammers.

I bet this whole phenomenon is mainly a “emergent property” of the rewards and access structures in place in Social Media and that the top-down organised ops from state actors are but a tiny fraction of this shit show.

Like everything else capitalist, it starts out as an independent venture and congeals into national industry as the rate of return grows. The modern era of internet scamming is just the latest in a long history of affinity scams and MLM schemes. People are drawn in out of fear, confusion, and desperation. And because the better scammers know to tip their political overclass, these scam factories tend to be insulated from any kind of regulation or public prosecution.

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Hey, the pay is good and they don't have to go to the front line and die in Ukraine.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

In Soviet Russia, Bubba blow you!

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There are no Americans on the internet

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Some say that there are no humans on the internet.

[–] DonEladio@feddit.org 57 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Why don't we start to do this in reverse? "Я гей-фермер из Владивостока. Я поддерживаю слом системы."

[–] de_lancre@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

That propaganda won't work comrade Ivan, we all know there no gay farmers in Vladivostok. Our wise government made sure of it!

But yeah, jokes aside, it's currently a crime to support LGBT in russia. Being gay = being rebel against regime, cause real rebels either already dead, in prison or fled. Next in line, if I would guess, would be jews I think.

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Because russia is not a democracy and an average russian is staying away from politics due to learned helplessness. Because of multiple factors, even protests won't change anything. You can call for sabotage, but that isn't what an average person would do.

Besides, their internet is far more restricted. They don't have access to twitter. They use vk and registration there essentially requires a gov id, 1 per citizen.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You grow up in those countries, you'd soon learn to keep quiet.

My family was all born in mainland China, we live in the US right now, my parents keeps telling me to stop criticizing the government, as in neither the governments of of PRC and USA. Because in their mind:
dissent = trouble
shut up = safe

Which I mean, to be fair, seeing how PRC allegedly has overseas operatives and also the US's current autocratization, they might actually have a point.

I don't agree with that idea, but I get where they're coming from. They lived through the Cutural revolution stuff. My dad was a kid during those times, my mom was born near the end of it, but she heard direct first hand accounts from my maternal grandparents. So... those fears gets passed on. My mom told me many times to not post anti-government views on the internet... even here in the US... 👀

[–] Mika@piefed.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I know what you mean. My parents (both Ukrainian) were telling me to lower my profile and don't post anything political cause we don't know where are we heading. They did enjoy their freedom to criticize gov at home & with the family members though, but in a very characteristic Ukrainian trait - all the politicians bad, they all steal etc.

My wife's granny from Belarus, she switched to very quiet whisper every time she was talking about politics. Even in Ukraine, where people faced no consequences. Because walls have ears.

And re genetic memory, I know what you mean cause even people that didn't experience Holodomor had very different attitude towards food, having stashes & wasting food was basically unthinkable.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 13 points 1 day ago

dissent = trouble shut up = safe

That's true in the US, anyone who thinks they have free speech hasn't said anything that anyone cared about, and were asleep the entirety of 2020 and hasn't turned on the news now that Trump's ICE are so wildly incompetent they don't even bother to obfuscate what they're doing.

Those who don't move don't notice their chains.

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[–] Levitator2478@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Not sure whether this is serious, but to provide a serious answer: you can't create a healthy democracy by spreading misinformation. Misinformation that's aligned with your agenda might help push it in the short term, but it also undermines trust (in this case trust in what the average person is saying, since you can't tell who genuine participants in a discussion are). In a low trust environment, people tend to gravitate toward big personalities and believe sources and make decisions based on their own gut feelings (i.e. their personal prejudices) rather than on things like people's real experiences and accurate information from trusted institutions.

Demagogues like Putin thrive in this environment because ultimately they don't have (or care about) solutions to the average person's problems. They get by based on personality, stoking prejudice etc. But policies that are based on the truth and what the average person actually needs suffer.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

That's part of why russia is like this actually. Propaganda both pro and anti soviet wasn't telling the whole truth and shit got weird

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

And the added pain to work the night shift in order to react timely.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can tell it isn't real because everyone in Youngstown in a mafioso

[–] VicVinegar@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Live in Youngstown. It is a full of Midwestern turds. They should have flushed the whole city down the toilet when the steel left.

[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Live in Youngstown.

Man I'm sorry

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[–] Credibly_Human@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

And people fall for it and regulators allow it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

"People fall for it"

checks the accounts of people responding positively to the post

they're all bots

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I hate this shit the problems with America and its oppression isn't primarily due to scary "foreigners" its homegrown and refusing to confront it as such makes it impossible to destroy and feeds into warmongering and xenophobia.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You missed the point. Twitter just revealed that many of the deranged MAGA influencers are from outside the US.

The main issue with MAGA is actually foreigners! Suprise surprise. That is what the meme is making fun of.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

Yes, US hasn't got a monopoly in propaganda and internet narrative manipulation. And this was in 2013.

https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/

Surprise Surprise!

[–] MTZ@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

While I think there is a huge honegrown issue, the foreign influence is another gigantic problem that can't be ignored and it was just 100% proven.

[–] Fridgeratr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

It is possible to care about multiple things at a time

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

Foreigners are just the "others" used by the elites to point the tribalist weak minded morons towards somebody else whilst the very much local elites pillage the place.

And this is not just done to the MAGA muppets: notice the whole bitching and moaning about "foreign interference" from the rest - guess what, the influence of the likes of Russia and even China have in countries like the US is fucking nothing next to that of the local traditional fatcats owning the Press and Tech-bros owning social media or even in relative terms that cultivated by the kind of Propaganda ops we see in action here in the most popular Lemmy.world forums.

Fuck, if you want to worry about Foreign Actors, look at how Israel got most of the West, especially the US, to basically destroy in non-aligned countries at least half a fucking century of cultivate image of being Rule Of Law abiding and Freedom Promoting, which amongst other things resulted in some of those now turning towards Russia or China - all this shit to protected the fucking modern day Nazis whilst they get off from murdering little brow children.

The supposed Leftwing of the US (but not really: in World terms the Democrats are a hard Right party, just ultra Capitalist Neolibs rather than Fascists) are just as much doing the whole "it's those scary foreigners" smoke and mirrors show to turn the mob eyes away from their sponsors as the Fascists, it's just that in their propaganda the cartoonish bad guys are "state actors" rather than "immigrants".

And all the fucking shit in the US (not just the propaganda but its use to distract the crowd from the pillaging by the likes of the Finance Industry, "realestate investors" and other parasites) is leaking to the rest of the World and accelerating the shitstorm elsewhere.

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